[Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks

[John W.]

At 05:00 PM 2/15/2008, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:

>Good one. Laurie... and I also like the way you called Carl "Christ"  ;-]
>
>  --Jenifer


Hahaha!  I hadn't noticed, and didn't realize that Laurie was so 
spiritually inclined.  "Christ" means, I think, "The Anointed One"...a 
characterization of Carl that I'm sure we can all live with.  As proof of 
his status, he will correct me if I'm wrong.  :-)

John



>"Laurie at advancenet.net" <laurie at advancenet.net> wrote:
>
> > "On those remote pages it is written that animals are divided into (a) 
> those that belong to the
> > Emperor, (b) embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d) suckling 
> pigs, (e)
> > mermaids, (f) fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are 
> included in this
> > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j) innumerable
> > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l) others, 
> (m) those
> > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble flies from 
> a distance."
>
>Christ, isn't that a description of our government's enemies list, which
>they have stamped as classified? By releasing this, you will have to answer
>to Homeland Security - especially since you have listed some of their top
>personnel as enemy animals. :-)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:57 PM
> > To: Jenifer Cartwright
> > Cc: Peace Discuss; Morton K. Brussel
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks
> >
> > The multiple uses you cite serve to cover the fundamental social meaning of
> > class -- roughly those who have the same role in the process of 
> producing the
> > necessities of life. In a (more or less) capitalist order, these tend 
> to two: a
> > very small group of 'owners' (not a natural relationship but a peculiar 
> notion
> > of dominion over what's needed to produce food and shelter) and the large
> > majority, who have to sell what makes them human -- their work of head 
> and hands
> > -- in order to eat regularly (even when they're privileged, like us). The
> > interests of these two groups (classes, sensu stricto) are not just 
> skew but
> > contradictory -- in spite of all Mr. Obama can say.
> >
> > Your description of the uses of class reminds of the famous passage 
> from a J. L.
> > Borges' story, in which Borges claims to know of "a certain Chinese 
> encyclopedia
> > entitled Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge. On those remote 
> pages it is
> > written that animals are divided into (a) those that belong to the 
> Emperor, (b)
> > embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d) suckling pigs, (e) 
> mermaids, (f)
> > fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are included in this
> > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j) innumerable
> > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l) others, 
> (m) those
> > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble flies from a
> > distance." --CGE
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