[Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks

[C. G. Estabrook]

Having been christened/anointed (as I'm sure you have, John), I technically 
qualify, I suppose -- but remember what happens to those so designated.

In fact, Borges has a story about that, too: "The Gospel According to Mark" 
<http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/071015_fiction_theroux.mp3>.

BTW, the Borges' "story" I referred to below is in fact an essay, "The 
Analytical Language of John Wilkins," available at 
<http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/wilkins.html>.  Like all of Borges, it's worth 
reading, in spite of his bad politics.  --CGE


John W. wrote:
> At 05:00 PM 2/15/2008, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> 
>> Good one. Laurie... and I also like the way you called Carl "Christ"  ;-]
>>  
>>  --Jenifer
> 
> 
> Hahaha!  I hadn't noticed, and didn't realize that Laurie was so 
> spiritually inclined.  "Christ" means, I think, "The Anointed One"...a 
> characterization of Carl that I'm sure we can all live with.  As proof 
> of his status, he will correct me if I'm wrong.  :-)
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> "Laurie at advancenet.net" <laurie at advancenet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     > "On those remote pages it is written that animals are divided
>>     into (a) those that belong to the
>>     > Emperor, (b) embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d)
>>     suckling pigs, (e)
>>     > mermaids, (f) fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are
>>     included in this
>>     > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j)
>>     innumerable
>>     > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l)
>>     others, (m) those
>>     > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble
>>     flies from a distance."
>>
>>     Christ, isn't that a description of our government's enemies list,
>>     which
>>     they have stamped as classified? By releasing this, you will have
>>     to answer
>>     to Homeland Security - especially since you have listed some of
>>     their top
>>     personnel as enemy animals. :-)
>>      
>>
>>
>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>     > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>>     [mailto:peace-discuss-
>>     > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
>>     > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:57 PM
>>     > To: Jenifer Cartwright
>>     > Cc: Peace Discuss; Morton K. Brussel
>>     > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks
>>     >
>>     > The multiple uses you cite serve to cover the fundamental social
>>     meaning of
>>     > class -- roughly those who have the same role in the process of
>>     producing the
>>     > necessities of life. In a (more or less) capitalist order, these
>>     tend to two: a
>>     > very small group of 'owners' (not a natural relationship but a
>>     peculiar notion
>>     > of dominion over what's needed to produce food and shelter) and
>>     the large
>>     > majority, who have to sell what makes them human -- their work
>>     of head and hands
>>     > -- in order to eat regularly (even when they're privileged, like
>>     us). The
>>     > interests of these two groups (classes, sensu stricto) are not
>>     just skew but
>>     > contradictory -- in spite of all Mr. Obama can say.
>>     >
>>     > Your description of the uses of class reminds of the famous
>>     passage from a J. L.
>>     > Borges' story, in which Borges claims to know of "a certain
>>     Chinese encyclopedia
>>     > entitled Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge. On those
>>     remote pages it is
>>     > written that animals are divided into (a) those that belong to
>>     the Emperor, (b)
>>     > embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d) suckling pigs,
>>     (e) mermaids, (f)
>>     > fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are included in this
>>     > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j)
>>     innumerable
>>     > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l)
>>     others, (m) those
>>     > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble
>>     flies from a
>>     > distance." --CGE