[Peace-discuss] Re: Ron Paul & GroundHog Day

Thu Jan 31 20:50:30 CST 2008

Of course we can't limit the signs people bring.  We never have.  Ever.  I think it might be time
to dissolve AWARE and start over if we did.

Of course, IF it were to turn out that Ron Paul signs were numerous enuf to create the appearance
that we all support his campaign, that would be unfortunate and grossly inaccurate.  Most of us
don't, because of his racial politics or his 'Libertarian' economic views or both.

I suggest everyone who's so inclined bring signs representing the candidate of their choice (even
if he/she has dropped out, or signs like "Vote Green," or how about signs that say what you really
feel :-)

"Vote for who you want, then
>RAISE HELL<
until they get OUT OF IRAQ!"

"Throw the bums out!  End the War!"

"Democracy is NOT just voting!"

"Our choices for voting SUCK.  The only choice in Iraq: OUT NOW!"

I'm sure others can come up with better ones.
Ricky

--- Jan & Durl Kruse <jandurl at insightbb.com> wrote:

> So, who wants to tell the Ron Paul people that AWARE has dibs on Main 
> and Neil and nobody else can stand there this Saturday?
> I used to teach first grade and this sounds like the "me first" 
> attitude of six year olds.  This is getting a bit ridiculous.
> As I would tell my six year old students........there is enough room 
> for all of us.....even if you don't like all the people in the group.
> you can ignore those you don't like and stand by your friends.......... 
> Or you can chose to stand by yourself!  You get to decide!"
> 
> If Bush himself showed up with a sign that says: "George Bush for 
> Peace" and/or "George Bush opposes the Iraq War.......... I'd say 
> that's fine and it's about time!  But of course actions speak louder 
> than words.....................
> The issue is being out there and not just talking about it..........
> There have been Ron Paul people attending 2 recent AWARE 
> meetings....... and they want to join us this Saturday.  I won't be 
> holding a Ron Paul sign.......   but some people might.  Who 
> cares????......... Is this guilt by association???
> If you want to discuss excluding some people from AWARE demonstration 
> and /or meetings.........at least show up and do some of the discussing 
> in person with the people organizing and participating in these events!
> Believe it or not, but some AWARE member have been seen driving around 
> town with a Ron Paul bumper sticker on their car.
> Too late, we've already been infiltrated!
> JAN K
> 
> On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> 
> > I agree with everything Stuart said (below), especially that it's 
> > worth discussing... and I'll go one step further and add it's worth 
> > discussing BEFORE the fact... I don't think this is any different from 
> > other instances in which AWARE has been asked to support or co-sponsor 
> > an event, or when AWARE members disseminate info on flyers using 
> > AWARE's name, etc...
> >  --Jenifer 
> >  
> > Jan & Durl Kruse <jandurl at insightbb.com> wrote:
> >> With this (at least for now) still being a free country and the corner
> >> of Neil and Main being a public place I thought it was polite and
> >> really not needed for the Ron Paul folks to ask to join our group. How
> >> do you say: "NO we don't allow others to join us in public? We monitor
> >> signs and we only allow like-minded people to join us" ......This
> >> (opposition to the war) may be the only point we agree with the Ron
> >> Paul folks on, however when the news media (the Ron Paul folks have
> >> invited them) asks for a sound bit..........anyone can make a case for
> >> free speech....... and this moment where two groups from usually
> >> different perspectives have found a point on which they agree and can
> >> stand on the same street corner and say.... NO to the War in Iraq!
> >> You can always hold a sign that says "I don't support Ron Paul or the
> >> Iraq War!" and ...........Maybe it will look like Ron Paul support's
> >> AWARE.........
> >> JAN K
> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:47:51PM -0800, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> >> >> So... they'll be carrying their Ron Paul signs and marching w/ 
> >> AWARE
> >> >> members,
> >> >> and AWARE will be appear to be supporting Ron Paul?? I'm NOT in 
> >> favor
> >> >> of that
> >> >> at all!! Somebody needs to set some ground rules on this.
> >> >> --Jenifer
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I too will be uneasy about it if there turn out to be many 
> >> people
> >> > sporting Ron Paul signs. I'm happy to demonstrate alongside Ron Paul
> >> > supporters --
> >> > and I don't feel any need to agree with all the signs that we
> >> > collectively
> >> > carry -- but carrying signs for a particular candidate whom many of 
> >> us
> >> > couldn't support does seem to cross a line. It feels like we're 
> >> being
> >> > co-opted, in a way that co-protesting with AAEI didn't.
> >> >
> >> > At the same time, as member of an anarchic group, I'm also uneasy 
> >> about
> >> > trying to set "ground rules". Still it's worth discussing.
> >> >
> >> >> Jan & Durl Kruse wrote: > The Main Event will
> >> >> be held this Saturday February 2 from 2-4 in
> >> >>> Downtown Champaign at the corner of Main and Neil. The following
> >> >>> message is from our friends and recent AWARE meeting attendees for
> >> >>> Ron
> >> >>> Paul. They plan to join the anti-war protest this Saturday and
> >> >>> wanted
> >> >>> to let others know the information below!
> >> >>
> >> >>> Subject: GroundHog Day
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Durl (and Jan)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thank you for the pleasant phone conversation this morning.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Our Ron Paul meetup group will join AWARE for the Anti-War rally 
> >> at
> >> >>> 2-4 pm Saturday.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> MerryAnn's Diner and the RonPaul meetup group will provide free 
> >> hot
> >> >>> coffee and hot chocolate.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Would you please let the AWARE group know that we will be joining
> >> >>> you.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wayne Johnson
> >
> 
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