[Peace-discuss] Re: Ron Paul & GroundHog Day

Thu Jan 31 21:02:21 CST 2008

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:50:30PM -0800, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> Of course we can't limit the signs people bring.  We never have.  Ever.  I think it might be time
> to dissolve AWARE and start over if we did.
> 
> Of course, IF it were to turn out that Ron Paul signs were numerous enuf to create the appearance
> that we all support his campaign, that would be unfortunate and grossly inaccurate.  Most of us
> don't, because of his racial politics or his 'Libertarian' economic views or both.
> 
> I suggest everyone who's so inclined bring signs representing the candidate of their choice (even
> if he/she has dropped out, or signs like "Vote Green," or how about signs that say what you really
> feel :-)
> 
> "Vote for who you want, then
> >RAISE HELL<
> until they get OUT OF IRAQ!"
> 
> "Throw the bums out!  End the War!"
> 
> "Democracy is NOT just voting!"
> 
> "Our choices for voting SUCK.  The only choice in Iraq: OUT NOW!"
> 
> I'm sure others can come up with better ones.
> Ricky

I like *all* of those!

> 
> --- Jan & Durl Kruse <jandurl at insightbb.com> wrote:
> 
> > So, who wants to tell the Ron Paul people that AWARE has dibs on Main 
> > and Neil and nobody else can stand there this Saturday?
> > I used to teach first grade and this sounds like the "me first" 
> > attitude of six year olds.  This is getting a bit ridiculous.
> > As I would tell my six year old students........there is enough room 
> > for all of us.....even if you don't like all the people in the group.
> > you can ignore those you don't like and stand by your friends.......... 
> > Or you can chose to stand by yourself!  You get to decide!"
> > 
> > If Bush himself showed up with a sign that says: "George Bush for 
> > Peace" and/or "George Bush opposes the Iraq War.......... I'd say 
> > that's fine and it's about time!  But of course actions speak louder 
> > than words.....................
> > The issue is being out there and not just talking about it..........
> > There have been Ron Paul people attending 2 recent AWARE 
> > meetings....... and they want to join us this Saturday.  I won't be 
> > holding a Ron Paul sign.......   but some people might.  Who 
> > cares????......... Is this guilt by association???
> > If you want to discuss excluding some people from AWARE demonstration 
> > and /or meetings.........at least show up and do some of the discussing 
> > in person with the people organizing and participating in these events!
> > Believe it or not, but some AWARE member have been seen driving around 
> > town with a Ron Paul bumper sticker on their car.
> > Too late, we've already been infiltrated!
> > JAN K
> > 
> > On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree with everything Stuart said (below), especially that it's 
> > > worth discussing... and I'll go one step further and add it's worth 
> > > discussing BEFORE the fact... I don't think this is any different from 
> > > other instances in which AWARE has been asked to support or co-sponsor 
> > > an event, or when AWARE members disseminate info on flyers using 
> > > AWARE's name, etc...
> > >  --Jenifer 
> > >  
> > > Jan & Durl Kruse <jandurl at insightbb.com> wrote:
> > >> With this (at least for now) still being a free country and the corner
> > >> of Neil and Main being a public place I thought it was polite and
> > >> really not needed for the Ron Paul folks to ask to join our group. How
> > >> do you say: "NO we don't allow others to join us in public? We monitor
> > >> signs and we only allow like-minded people to join us" ......This
> > >> (opposition to the war) may be the only point we agree with the Ron
> > >> Paul folks on, however when the news media (the Ron Paul folks have
> > >> invited them) asks for a sound bit..........anyone can make a case for
> > >> free speech....... and this moment where two groups from usually
> > >> different perspectives have found a point on which they agree and can
> > >> stand on the same street corner and say.... NO to the War in Iraq!
> > >> You can always hold a sign that says "I don't support Ron Paul or the
> > >> Iraq War!" and ...........Maybe it will look like Ron Paul support's
> > >> AWARE.........
> > >> JAN K
> > >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:47:51PM -0800, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > >> >> So... they'll be carrying their Ron Paul signs and marching w/ 
> > >> AWARE
> > >> >> members,
> > >> >> and AWARE will be appear to be supporting Ron Paul?? I'm NOT in 
> > >> favor
> > >> >> of that
> > >> >> at all!! Somebody needs to set some ground rules on this.
> > >> >> --Jenifer
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, I too will be uneasy about it if there turn out to be many 
> > >> people
> > >> > sporting Ron Paul signs. I'm happy to demonstrate alongside Ron Paul
> > >> > supporters --
> > >> > and I don't feel any need to agree with all the signs that we
> > >> > collectively
> > >> > carry -- but carrying signs for a particular candidate whom many of 
> > >> us
> > >> > couldn't support does seem to cross a line. It feels like we're 
> > >> being
> > >> > co-opted, in a way that co-protesting with AAEI didn't.
> > >> >
> > >> > At the same time, as member of an anarchic group, I'm also uneasy 
> > >> about
> > >> > trying to set "ground rules". Still it's worth discussing.
> > >> >
> > >> >> Jan & Durl Kruse wrote: > The Main Event will
> > >> >> be held this Saturday February 2 from 2-4 in
> > >> >>> Downtown Champaign at the corner of Main and Neil. The following
> > >> >>> message is from our friends and recent AWARE meeting attendees for
> > >> >>> Ron
> > >> >>> Paul. They plan to join the anti-war protest this Saturday and
> > >> >>> wanted
> > >> >>> to let others know the information below!
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Subject: GroundHog Day
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Durl (and Jan)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thank you for the pleasant phone conversation this morning.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Our Ron Paul meetup group will join AWARE for the Anti-War rally 
> > >> at
> > >> >>> 2-4 pm Saturday.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> MerryAnn's Diner and the RonPaul meetup group will provide free 
> > >> hot
> > >> >>> coffee and hot chocolate.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Would you please let the AWARE group know that we will be joining
> > >> >>> you.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Wayne Johnson
> > >
> > 
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