[Peace-discuss] RE: [Peace] How to locate AWARE table at Sweetcorn Festival

[C. G. Estabrook]

Robert--

I thought you agreed with me that the construction of the category of "hate
speech" was a (often non-innocent) way to infringe free speech rights.

Wayne is perfectly capable of answering for himself, but I must say that I've
never heard any racist (or antisemitic) opinions from him, and what I know of
his personal history would suggest that they're highly unlikely.

AWARE has never "kicked an individual out," altho' some have left of their own
accord.

And a man of your perspicacity can't seriously hold that "the war has nothing to
do with Champaign County."

Regards, CGE


Robert Dunn wrote:
> whether you disagree or not with a particular candidate is one thing, but
> being overtly rude and even yelling at the guy is another. You were banned
> twice from IP for your overtly anti-Semitic/racist comments. IP is very open
> to those of a variety of viewpoints. You cross the line when you threaten,
> use racist/anti-Semitic/or anti-gay language! You have been guilty of all of
> this. I do not know your relationship with AWARE, but i wanted AWARE to know
> about who you really are. I know that AWARE is non-violent and has had to
> kick an individual out due to his violent rhetoric, (Hippie Joe.) As far as
> the local GOP goes, the war has nothing to do with Champaign County. We are
> about electing local candidates, not taking positions on every controversy
> that comes down the road.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:15:25 -0500 From: ewj at pigs.ag To:
> prorobert8 at hotmail.com CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net Subject: Re: [Peace]
> How to locate AWARE table at Sweetcorn Festival
> 
> (moving to Peace-discuss)
> 
> I don't like to be misquoted and misrepresented. I prefer that those who
> disagree and disparage have their facts straight.
> 
> Those who choose a path of violence generally come to a violent end.
> 
> My reference is to the notion that we need new tactics to awaken the masses, 
> the equivalent to "bombs".  Some in the liberty movement have had promoted
> "money bombs" raising hundreds of thousands even millions for candidates like
> Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, which is having some effect.
> 
> ****
> 
> In regard to the local GOP, I am still on their mailing list.  I had been an
> appointed precinct committeeman in Cunningham 12, from which position I
> resigned several months ago, prior to running for city council in Urbana as
> an Independent.  Nobody kicked me out, I just walked away.  Indeed I was
> banned from IlliniPundit, not just once, but twice in fact.   :-)   That blog
> is not exactly what you might call a free-speech zone, nor is it a venue for
> exchange of "traditional conservative" ideas such as opposition to war.   I
> have found other outlets that are somewhat more receptive.
> 
> It seems that the GOP has forgotten the purpose of elections in general and
> chooses to act as a dominant top-down politburo "choosing primary winners so
> that the people don't have to".
> 
> Indeed ex-party chief Andrew McKenna has been quoted as stating that the 
> Illinois GOP Central Committee should determine who the GOP candidates are,
> and not have a primary election at all.  Certainly the fellow you refer to as
>  "our 103rd State Rep candidate" appears to be anointed by the local top-down
> organization, and there is no reason for the people themselves to be
> consulted.  I took issue with him over the fact that he told me that he had
> been solicited by the local top-downers and that the GOP didn't want anyone
> else to run because they didn't want to expend precious resources on a
> contested primary.
> 
> My point is that this top-down selection of candidates is a perversion of the
> democratic process and is not conducive to "good government".  Others may
> disagree.
> 
> I think it is particularly unfortunate that the GOP has come to view primary
> elections as an impediment to their political ends. I am no great fan of
> Abraham Lincoln but I do agree that government should be "of the people, by
> the people, for the people" whether there is much evidence that Lincoln
> actually subscribed to that concept or not.
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2009 6:56 PM, Robert Dunn wrote:
> 
> my favorite moment of AWAREs table was when Wayne Johnson rather loudly
> talked about his desire to make bombs in his home! Sorry Wayne, the local GOP
> did not find that too funny, plus your being extremely rude to our 103rd
> State Rep candidate. AWARE, please be aware, ( no pun intented that Wayne
> Johnson is not to be trusted. He has been banned from IlliniPundit, the local
> GOP banned him! Maybe for AWAREs reputation, you guys should follow suite!
> 
> Robert Dunn