[Peace-discuss] RE: [Peace] How to locate AWARE table at Sweetcorn Festival

[Robert Dunn]

I oppose government entities such as Universities and City Councils making speech codes. As far as private entities such as the Champaign County Republican Central Committee and Illini Pundit, the person or persons who built the organization have the right to dictate what goes on in their meetings or discussions. For instance, though, i believe their decision to be elitist and hypocritical, I do believe that the PRC and IDF were within their rights to ban me from their organization. I could not sue them on account of them denying me my Constitutional liberties! Looking back ten years ago from the incident, I laugh considering that the PRC is no longer in existence, the IDF had to sell its property possibly due to the Left moving its "hub" from the IDF to the IMC building. Private entities can make their own decisions as to what type of speech is allowed. I hope as a libertarian, Wayne can agree with me on that!

 

Regards,

 

Robert
 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:24:13 -0500
> From: galliher at illinois.edu
> To: prorobert8 at hotmail.com
> CC: ewj at pigs.ag; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] RE: [Peace] How to locate AWARE table at Sweetcorn Festival
> 
> Robert--
> 
> I thought you agreed with me that the construction of the category of "hate
> speech" was a (often non-innocent) way to infringe free speech rights.
> 
> Wayne is perfectly capable of answering for himself, but I must say that I've
> never heard any racist (or antisemitic) opinions from him, and what I know of
> his personal history would suggest that they're highly unlikely.
> 
> AWARE has never "kicked an individual out," altho' some have left of their own
> accord.
> 
> And a man of your perspicacity can't seriously hold that "the war has nothing to
> do with Champaign County."
> 
> Regards, CGE
> 
> 
> Robert Dunn wrote:
> > whether you disagree or not with a particular candidate is one thing, but
> > being overtly rude and even yelling at the guy is another. You were banned
> > twice from IP for your overtly anti-Semitic/racist comments. IP is very open
> > to those of a variety of viewpoints. You cross the line when you threaten,
> > use racist/anti-Semitic/or anti-gay language! You have been guilty of all of
> > this. I do not know your relationship with AWARE, but i wanted AWARE to know
> > about who you really are. I know that AWARE is non-violent and has had to
> > kick an individual out due to his violent rhetoric, (Hippie Joe.) As far as
> > the local GOP goes, the war has nothing to do with Champaign County. We are
> > about electing local candidates, not taking positions on every controversy
> > that comes down the road.
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:15:25 -0500 From: ewj at pigs.ag To:
> > prorobert8 at hotmail.com CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net Subject: Re: [Peace]
> > How to locate AWARE table at Sweetcorn Festival
> > 
> > (moving to Peace-discuss)
> > 
> > I don't like to be misquoted and misrepresented. I prefer that those who
> > disagree and disparage have their facts straight.
> > 
> > Those who choose a path of violence generally come to a violent end.
> > 
> > My reference is to the notion that we need new tactics to awaken the masses, 
> > the equivalent to "bombs". Some in the liberty movement have had promoted
> > "money bombs" raising hundreds of thousands even millions for candidates like
> > Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, which is having some effect.
> > 
> > ****
> > 
> > In regard to the local GOP, I am still on their mailing list. I had been an
> > appointed precinct committeeman in Cunningham 12, from which position I
> > resigned several months ago, prior to running for city council in Urbana as
> > an Independent. Nobody kicked me out, I just walked away. Indeed I was
> > banned from IlliniPundit, not just once, but twice in fact. :-) That blog
> > is not exactly what you might call a free-speech zone, nor is it a venue for
> > exchange of "traditional conservative" ideas such as opposition to war. I
> > have found other outlets that are somewhat more receptive.
> > 
> > It seems that the GOP has forgotten the purpose of elections in general and
> > chooses to act as a dominant top-down politburo "choosing primary winners so
> > that the people don't have to".
> > 
> > Indeed ex-party chief Andrew McKenna has been quoted as stating that the 
> > Illinois GOP Central Committee should determine who the GOP candidates are,
> > and not have a primary election at all. Certainly the fellow you refer to as
> > "our 103rd State Rep candidate" appears to be anointed by the local top-down
> > organization, and there is no reason for the people themselves to be
> > consulted. I took issue with him over the fact that he told me that he had
> > been solicited by the local top-downers and that the GOP didn't want anyone
> > else to run because they didn't want to expend precious resources on a
> > contested primary.
> > 
> > My point is that this top-down selection of candidates is a perversion of the
> > democratic process and is not conducive to "good government". Others may
> > disagree.
> > 
> > I think it is particularly unfortunate that the GOP has come to view primary
> > elections as an impediment to their political ends. I am no great fan of
> > Abraham Lincoln but I do agree that government should be "of the people, by
> > the people, for the people" whether there is much evidence that Lincoln
> > actually subscribed to that concept or not.
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/30/2009 6:56 PM, Robert Dunn wrote:
> > 
> > my favorite moment of AWAREs table was when Wayne Johnson rather loudly
> > talked about his desire to make bombs in his home! Sorry Wayne, the local GOP
> > did not find that too funny, plus your being extremely rude to our 103rd
> > State Rep candidate. AWARE, please be aware, ( no pun intented that Wayne
> > Johnson is not to be trusted. He has been banned from IlliniPundit, the local
> > GOP banned him! Maybe for AWAREs reputation, you guys should follow suite!
> > 
> > Robert Dunn
> 

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