Fw: [Peace-discuss] Food for thought?

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Sun Jan 11 16:19:35 CST 2009


I lived in China 5 years, didn't own a car, and never wanted a car.
But the plan of the society was oriented (no pun here) toward people who 
dont have
cars and so it works pretty well that way.  I had a very good bicycle 
the sort of
which is nearly impossible to find here.  It was a 28" FengHuang 
(Phoenix) and it cost
me 280 yuan (about $35) which was a huge price.  It had big fat tires 
like my grandmother's old
bicycle and it was built to carry freight loads on the rack.

The bus system was very good with simple metal signs that indicated 
where the bus was going.  Each bus stop
had a name so one could know where the bus was going.  The time that the 
bus would be at each stop or
else the frequency of buses was also posted.  It was a user-friendly 
system.  There were also Capitalists with
smaller buses and little cars who ran the same routes in between the 
times for the public buses.  All the buses, public and private
were usually well filled.  Often packed.

*
One of the more interesting technologies is to use elemental boron as a 
energy storage medium.  The boron
pellets are "burned", releasing zero gaseous emissions, but combining 
with oxygen and water to produce borax,
which is recycled and converted back to elemental boron. 
No one has figured out what they do with the entropy.


unionyes wrote:
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* unionyes <mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net>
> *To:* LAURIE SOLOMON <mailto:LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Food for thought?
>
> The short answer is Green Collar Jobs.
>  
> Besides an increase in solar, wind, etc. use, encouraged by some type 
> of government help ( R and D, tax credits, direct investment, training 
> programs, etc. ), the re-tooling of the U.S. auto industry to make 
> electric cars, high speed rail and inter-urban light rail ( which 
> would BEGIN to creep us towards Western Europe and Japan, who are 40 
> years ahead of us ).
>  
> The long answer is a more systemic problem which ties in with why 
> the above short answer hasn't happened and addressing your concern 
> Laurie, about the corporate system being sustained. The system that 
> created the problems we currently have.
> That problem is the Capitalist system.
>  
> The other point that is mentioned about the construction industry 
> being dominated by white males IS absolutely true.
> The problem is that the construction Unions have allowed the 
> contractors almost total control of hiring / firing.
> The Unions take in apprentices every year, with a ratio of about 20 % 
> minorities and women. The problem is that they don't get enough work 
> via the contractors and 75 % drop out after one to three years.
> In fact, in Champaign-Urbana where 95 % of the construction work is 
> located, you will find that 90 % of the Workers on these jobs do NOT 
> live in Champaign-Urbana.
> State and Federal construction projects ( U of I )  are required to 
> have a workforce on these projects that reflect the community in terms 
> of race.
> If you use the population diversity of the County as a benchmark, then 
> 9 % of the Tradespeople should be African American, 2% Hispanic ( or 
> more ), and about 1% Asian ( excluding visiting academics at the U of I ).
> What is typical on the job-sites overall is 2% African American at 
> best. No Hispanics unless they are specialty crews from Chicago ( 
> terrazo floors, etc. ), and I have only seen ONE Asian Tradesperson in 
> my 30 years in the Trades.
>  
> And the above are the COUNTY figures. You can guess how this would 
> change if you used City of Champaign and Urbana figures for benchmarks.
>  
> David J.
>  
>  
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* LAURIE SOLOMON <mailto:LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
>     *To:* sf-core at yahoogroups.com <mailto:sf-core at yahoogroups.com> ;
>     peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:45 PM
>     *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] Food for thought?
>
>     Food for thought?  The question here, I guess is:  if this is
>     actually the case and if training people to have the right and
>     most current needed skills will take time, what kinds of stimulus
>     can there be which does not reward those who already have the
>     skills and jobs while actually accomplishing the production of
>     something productive and useful in terms of tangible
>     infrastructure improvements and repairs as opposed to merely
>     keeping the economy, financial centers, and corporations up and
>     running as usual with little actual tangible benefits to the
>     standard of living and needs of the ordinary population.?
>
>      
>
>     FOCUS | The Stimulus
>
>     http://www.truthout.org/011109Y
>
>     Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog: "The stimulus plan will create
>     jobs repairing and upgrading the nation's roads, bridges, ports,
>     levees, water and sewage system, public-transit systems,
>     electricity grid, and schools... But if there aren't enough
>     skilled professionals to do the jobs involving new technologies,
>     the stimulus will just increase the wages of the professionals who
>     already have the right skills rather than generate many new jobs
>     in these fields. And if construction jobs go mainly to white males
>     who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need
>     jobs the most - women, minorities, and the poor and long-term
>     unemployed - will be shut out."
>
>      
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