[Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana

[Heather Ault]

Thanks Lena! I feel the same way, let's have these conversations off
this list.

At this point, the plans are in place. Let's reconvene in person - on
Thursday or Saturday, and use this list only if necessary. Please feel
free to email me directly, if anything comes up!

Until then,
Heather

 
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:35:29 -0500, "Hann, Lena" <lenah at ppil.org> said:
> While this is an interesting discussion, I think the initial point of the
> mass email was to come to agreement about a time/place/method of mourning
> the significant loss of Dr. Tillman.
>  
> Now that Ms. Ault has set times and dates to get this vigil planned, we
> all have a clear idea of when and where everything is happening.
>  
> I hope to see/meet you all on Saturday. Until then, please remove my
> emails if you continue to utilize this feed for debate.
> Thank you
> Lena
>  
> lena.hann at gmail.com
> lenah at ppil.org
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> Lena R. Hann, MPH
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> Planned Parenthood of Illinois
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> From: E. Wayne Johnson [mailto:ewj at pigs.ag]
> Sent: Wed 6/3/2009 12:29 PM
> To: Neil Parthun
> Cc: C.G.Estabrook; amasong_singers at lists.amasong.org; Brian Dolinar; Lena
> Hann; Sarah Rasmusson; Stuart Levy; lefortune at gmail.com; hault2 at uiuc.edu;
> lreagan at uiuc.edu; srasmus3 at uiuc.edu; pmorey at illinois.edu;
> wantland at illinois.edu; Rachel Storm; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;
> Hann, Lena; Paula A Treichler
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Peace] Re: Memorial in Champaign-Urbana
> 
> 
> Consistent or inconsistent depends upon whether or not one is operating
> from first principles.
> 
> I agree that it is inconsistent to be anti-abortion and also pro-war.
> 
> It is also inconsistent to be anti-war and pro-abortion by the same
> appeal to principles.
> 
> The majority of Americans are opposed to war.  
> The majority of Americans are opposed to abortion.
> The intersection of these two sets is at minimum 25% of the population if
> the
> variables are independent, and could be more than that if there is
> positive correlation 
> between the variables.
> 
> The absence of this >25% from the political structure is explained by the
> nature
> of politics.  The zeal for action and the stomach for politics doesnt
> appear to be
> evenly distributed across the population.
> 
> 
> On 6/3/2009 7:03 AM, Neil Parthun wrote: 
> 
> 	Carl et al. 
> 
> 	There is a significant difference.
> 
> 	Dr. Tiller's procedures were done for certain situations:
> 	-the fetus was dead in the womb and it would ridiculous for the woman to carry it to term
> 	-the woman found out she had a disease (i.e. cancer) late in the pregnancy and having the child may kill her
> 	-the woman was a victim of rape/incest -- I've had the opportunity to hear from some doctors who worked with him who discussed a 10 and 11 year old child who was raped by a family member.  He performed the procedure so they could have the opportunity for a normal life.
> 
> 	These were done for documented medical reasons that are widely considered to be valid when one looks at the facts rather than the hysteria of "Tiller the Baby Killer".
> 
> 	The usage of US forces, as documented many times by Carl himself, in the name of empire is the use of intimidation and violence to achieve geo-political goals for the service of a nation state.
> 
> 	Such fundamental differences are glossed over here.  I understand the consistent life ethic from people like Fr. Berrigan, but this position is almost non-existent in today's political structure.
> 
> 	Today's "pro-life" movement has many inconsistencies (i.e. for the birth of children, but for the death penalty, for the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan, etc.) and as such, there are significant difficulties in equating the two deaths and the issue of war/abortion here.
> 
> 
> 	
> 	Solidarity,
> 	  -N.
> 
> 	Neil Parthun
> 	  Sports/politics writer, UC-IMC
> 	       
> 	"There are many victories worse than a defeat." - George Eliot
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Heather Ault
MFA Candidate, School of Art and Design
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
www.heatherault.org