[Peace-discuss] Fw: CCHCC Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE

[LAURIE SOLOMON]

My only response to this particular post will be to your point #3.  I am not
sure that one can separate the two since to argue in support of abortion is
to argue implicitly in support of abortion rights and any argument in
support of abortion rights not being wrong would be an argument in support
of abortion.  My response to your question was intended to be read and could
be read as presenting a justifying philosophical argument for abortion
rights and against viewing those rights as wrong based on non-religious
grounds.  I constructed it to find out if such an argument would suffice as
either a good and/or philosophical argument or a good philosophical argument
in your eyes.  It essentially argues that abortion and abortion rights which
allow for and make abortion permissible as an acceptable alternative are
mechanisms of population control and regulation which could be justified as
not being wrong because they can prevent an economical disaster of
overpopulation and its subsequent consequences which could negatively impact
on future members of the human species and other species along with their
survival.

You still have not said if you regard this argument as fitting your criteria
or not and why. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Szoke [mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:58 AM
To: LAURIE SOLOMON; 'John Fettig'; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Cc: 'Morton K. Brussel'
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: CCHCC Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE

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INTERNATIONAL / AMERICAS   | March 28, 2009 
Amid Abuse of Girls in Brazil, Abortion Debate Flares 
By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO 

The case of a 9-year-old who had an abortion after saying she was raped has 
revived a debate over abortion rights. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/world/americas/28brazil.html?
emc=eta1

Comments:  

1.  Is "pro-life" an euphemism?  For what, exactly?

2.  Is all surgery on female bodies "violence against women?"   On only on 
pregnant women?  Or only on certain parts of pregnant women?  How do you 
decide?  (Suppose the surgery is to remove a tapeworm.)

3.  Note that my question was:  Are there any good philosophical arguments
for 
the view that abortion is NOT wrong?  It was NOT a request for a general 
argument in support of abortion, only of abortion RIGHTS -- a very different

matter.  There was no response to the question.  

4.  Once again, we have seen only slogans, doctrines & evasions on the 
question of how far the "pro-life" people are willing to go in preventing or

punishing abortion.  Should those who engage in it  ultimately have to face
the 
guns & billyclubs of the police for having broken the law?  What if the
woman 


has been raped, is a victim of incest, or her life is endangered by the 
pregnancy?

Will we now receive yet another dose of slogans,  metaphysical doctrines, 
evasions, red herrings & idealistic effusions  in response?  Watch this
space.  

-- Ron