[Peace-discuss] July 4 parade

[Stuart Levy]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:56:39PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Of course, as Thomas Aquinas points out, we read ancient philosophers not 
> to find out what ancient philosophers thought but how the truth of things 
> stands...

Remember a key question from the film, The Lives of Others
(set in East Germany during the time of the Stasi):

    Can [a] man change?

The answer of the artist within the film, and the clear answer of the filmmaker, is

    Yes!

I think we should allow for politicians to change too.
(And I don't share Plato's mistrust of subversive poets.)

> Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>> I would suggest the evaluation of Lincoln given by Eric Foner (and others) 
>> who note that one should realize that Lincoln changed during his course as 
>> President. The quotation below is from 1858…  Better to refer to
>> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090126/foner
>> --mkb
>> On May 20, 2009, at 6:46 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>> Another Lincoln quote:
>>>
>>> /“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of 
>>> bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white 
>>> and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making 
>>> voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor 
>>> to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that 
>>> there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I 
>>> believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of 
>>> social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while 
>>> they do remain together there must be the position of superior and 
>>> inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the 
>>> superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I 
>>> do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior 
>>> position the Negro should be denied everything."
>>>
>>> /-  Charleston IL September 18, 1858
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/2009 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>> The problem is that he probably didn't say it...
>>>>
>>>> Karen Medina wrote:
>>>>> "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the
>>>>> people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of
>>>>> the time."
>>>>> Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
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