[Peace-discuss] Tony's comments

[C. G. Estabrook]

No, he doesn't.

He supports some version of Obama's war -- by "10,000 to 20,000 special 
operations forces in [Afghanistan] to prevent any further expansion of al-Qaida."

He says he "respects the opinion on the subject [of] Mr. [Rory] Stewart." 
Stewart, a peculiar Brit, walked across Afghanistan and wrote a book about it: 
he has no principled objection to the occupation of Afghanistan, but he doesn't 
think the US (and the UK) are doing it very well.

Stewart now heads that propaganda mill, the Carr Center at Harvard, the ornament 
of which is the awful Samantha Power, apologist for Clinton's war on Serbia. 
(The former director was the even worse Michael Ignatieff.) For more on 
Stewart's views, see

<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c7414148-7d60-11de-b8ee-00144feabdc0.html>; and
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/17/rory-stewart-afghanistan-traditional-skills>.

Gill is (perhaps unintentionally) misleading when he says that he is not "as 
forgiving toward Mr. Johnson as Mr. Estabrook seems to be."  He knows perfectly 
well that I condemned Johnson's views on Iraq when I ran against him and 
afterwards.  I haven't changed my views, but Johnson seems to have changed his, 
in that he now calls for withdrawal from Afghanistan -- which Gill opposes.

Like many people, Democrats and others, understandably embarrassed about their 
support for murder in Afghanistan now, Gill seems to prefer to talk about the 
actions of the previous administration.  --CGE


unionyes wrote:
> So what is your position on Afganistan ?
> 
> Maybe I was misinformed !
> 
> Do you support a TOTAL U.S. military ( including the U.S. government 
> paid mercenaries, Blackwater et al. ) withdrawl from BOTH Afganistan and 
> Iraq ?
> 
> David J.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gill" <docgill37 at yahoo.com>
> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tony's comments
> 
> 
> David J.: Not at all clear how you've dragged me into being a supporter 
> of the occupation of Iraq-- I've publicly viewed this as a farce since 
> before its inception. And the consequences of that occupation are far 
> too calamitous for me to be as forgiving toward Mr. Johnson as Mr. 
> Estabrook seems to be.
> 
> To repeat: there is no "party line" into which I buy. When any of you 
> walk from one end of Afghanistan to the other, by yourself, and spend 
> the time first-hand with an extremely wide variety of Afghani people, in 
> 500 villages, I'll likely accord the same respect to your opinion on the 
> subject as I currently do Mr. Stewart's.
> 
> David Gill
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net>
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> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:14:02 PM
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
> To: <illyes at illinois.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tony's comments
> 
> 
>> Bob,
>>
>> Let's be objective about this !
>>
>> WE ( The U.S. Government ) have NO right to have invaded Afganistan 
>> and WE certainly do NOT have ANY right to continue to occupy THEIR 
>> country !
>>
>> Gill is excellent on the Health Care issue, BUT, he is buying into the 
>> " party line " about the continued corporate imperialistic occupation 
>> of BOTH Afganistan and Iraq !
>>
>> The wars of terror ( NOT the war on terror ) is continueing and being 
>> EXPANDED under Obama, and you know Bob as well as I do, that the 
>> money, murder, and mayhem, that we perpetuate abroad, is that much 
>> less that is available to spend here at " home " ( in the U.S. ) for 
>> Health Care, Green Jobs, etc..