[Peace-discuss] State Department Terminates Aid to Honduras Coup Regime

[Tom Abram]

The United States Congress allowed the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as
well as expanded torture and wiretapping.  I guess that's all well and
good regardless of the constitutionality?  I thought you were a big
Constitution fan.

Tom

On 9/4/09, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> Whether or not Honduras has an impeachment provision
> seems to be a matter of semiotics.  It appears that the
> Congress decided to remove Zelaya and the Supreme Court ordered him removed,
> the "equivalent" to impeachment and removal.
>
>> Congress voted to
>> remove him for what it called "repeated violations of the constitution and
>> the law", and the Supreme Court said it had ordered the president to be
>> removed from office to protect law and order.
> Here's the link to the BBC page:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8124154.stm
>
>
> Honduras apparently has a provision for action under duress, so the coup
> is not exactly "illegal".
>> Article 24 of Honduras' penal code will exonerate the joint chiefs of
>> staff who made the decision,
>> because it allows for making tough decisions based on the good of the
>> state, Inestroza said.
> But, My Original question was "Why are we meddling with the affairs of
> Honduras, a sovereign state?"
>
> Should China impose monetary policy sanctions on the US because Mr.
> Obama has proposed illegal detention of
> dissidents, or because Obama has continued Bush's unconstitutional
> activities, or because the US is in the process
> of escalating its occupation of Afghanistan?  Jimmy Carter told us that
> the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was so
> immoral that Amerikans ought to starve the Soviets into submission.
> Carter instituted a grain embargo that
> devastated the American Farmer.  How can we be on the moral high ground
> in Afghanistan while the Soviets
> were scoundrels for doing nothing worse than what we are doing?
>
> Isn't the most appropriate response of the US a cessation of military
> activity in the region and a non-interventionist foreign policy?
>
>
>
> On 9/4/2009 8:22 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>> The Honduran Congress never "impeached" President Zelaya. There is no
>> impeachment provision in the Honduran Constitution.
>>
>> The top legal adviser to the Honduran military admitted that the
>> Honduran military broke the law:
>>
>> http://www.miamiherald.com/1506/story/1125872.html
>>
>> Do you have a link to that BBC story?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, E. Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag>  wrote:
>>
>>> The BBC reports:
>>>
>>> Tension had been brewing in Honduras over recent months. Mr Zelaya sacked
>>> the head of the armed forces, who refused to give logistical support for
>>> the
>>> 28 June vote. The Supreme Court overruled him, saying the army chief
>>> should
>>> be reinstated.
>>>
>>> When Mr Zelaya insisted the consultation would go ahead,
>>>
>>> Since Honduras's own Congress has IMPEACHED and voted to Remove Zelaya,
>>> and
>>> the
>>> Honduras's own Supreme Court has ordered Zelaya's removal, How is it that
>>> Anyone could
>>> say that his removal is Illegal, since it would appear that Due Process
>>> and
>>> the Rule of Law is
>>> being followed?
>>>
>>> On 9/4/2009 7:36 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I am pleased that the US is terminating its "aid" to Honduras.
>>> Honduras
>>> should be glad too.  Amerika's jelly beans have fishhooks in them.
>>>
>>> What business does the United States have interfering with the conduct of
>>> government in Honduras,
>>> a sovereign state?
>>>
>>> The American battle for independence from the bloody British was an
>>> illegal
>>> coup.
>>> We have a military base in Honduras.
>>> Why shouldn't they throw us out of there if they could?
>>>
>>> How is our meddling with Honduras not an act of aggression against a weak
>>> sovereign nation?
>>> How is it any different from what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?
>>>
>>> It appears that the initiating spark in Honduras is an insistance on
>>> violation of term limits by the now-ousted President.
>>> What is it that we like about that?
>>>
>>> Is the US on the wrong side of the fight?  (once again?)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/4/2009 7:04 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Jenifer meant to say, "stopped short of calling it a military
>>> coup."
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:23 AM, John W.<jbw292002 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Jenifer Cartwright<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stopped short of calling it a coup, but better than hoped for, huh?
>>>   --Jenifer
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh?????
>>>
>>>
>>> U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
>>> Office of the Spokesman
>>>
>>> For Immediate Release
>>>
>>> September 3, 2009
>>> 2009/869
>>>
>>>
>>> STATEMENT BY IAN KELLY
>>>
>>> Termination of Assistance and Other Measures Affecting the De Facto
>>> Regime in Honduras
>>>
>>> The Department of State announces the termination of a broad range of
>>> assistance to the government of Honduras as a result of the coup
>>> d’etat that took place on June 28.  The Secretary already had
>>> suspended assistance shortly after the coup.
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