[Peace-discuss] State Department Terminates Aid to Honduras Coup Regime

Fri Sep 4 10:51:50 CDT 2009

We ought to have at least deposed the culprits who did such things, Tom.

I am a big fan of the Constitution.  I am doing what I know to do to 
fight torture and wiretapping.

It was a bipartisan response to permit these illegal acts, and the "new 
government" elected in 2006 & 2008 has
continued and expanded these illegal powers.  I think we need to kick 
them all out.  If we fail to kick
them out, they will become more bold and yet more arrogant.

On 9/4/2009 10:31 AM, Tom Abram wrote:
> The United States Congress allowed the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as
> well as expanded torture and wiretapping.  I guess that's all well and
> good regardless of the constitutionality?  I thought you were a big
> Constitution fan.
>
> Tom
>
> On 9/4/09, E. Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag>  wrote:
>    
>> Whether or not Honduras has an impeachment provision
>> seems to be a matter of semiotics.  It appears that the
>> Congress decided to remove Zelaya and the Supreme Court ordered him removed,
>> the "equivalent" to impeachment and removal.
>>
>>      
>>> Congress voted to
>>> remove him for what it called "repeated violations of the constitution and
>>> the law", and the Supreme Court said it had ordered the president to be
>>> removed from office to protect law and order.
>>>        
>> Here's the link to the BBC page:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8124154.stm
>>
>>
>> Honduras apparently has a provision for action under duress, so the coup
>> is not exactly "illegal".
>>      
>>> Article 24 of Honduras' penal code will exonerate the joint chiefs of
>>> staff who made the decision,
>>> because it allows for making tough decisions based on the good of the
>>> state, Inestroza said.
>>>        
>> But, My Original question was "Why are we meddling with the affairs of
>> Honduras, a sovereign state?"
>>
>> Should China impose monetary policy sanctions on the US because Mr.
>> Obama has proposed illegal detention of
>> dissidents, or because Obama has continued Bush's unconstitutional
>> activities, or because the US is in the process
>> of escalating its occupation of Afghanistan?  Jimmy Carter told us that
>> the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was so
>> immoral that Amerikans ought to starve the Soviets into submission.
>> Carter instituted a grain embargo that
>> devastated the American Farmer.  How can we be on the moral high ground
>> in Afghanistan while the Soviets
>> were scoundrels for doing nothing worse than what we are doing?
>>
>> Isn't the most appropriate response of the US a cessation of military
>> activity in the region and a non-interventionist foreign policy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/4/2009 8:22 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>>      
>>> The Honduran Congress never "impeached" President Zelaya. There is no
>>> impeachment provision in the Honduran Constitution.
>>>
>>> The top legal adviser to the Honduran military admitted that the
>>> Honduran military broke the law:
>>>
>>> http://www.miamiherald.com/1506/story/1125872.html
>>>
>>> Do you have a link to that BBC story?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, E. Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag>   wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> The BBC reports:
>>>>
>>>> Tension had been brewing in Honduras over recent months. Mr Zelaya sacked
>>>> the head of the armed forces, who refused to give logistical support for
>>>> the
>>>> 28 June vote. The Supreme Court overruled him, saying the army chief
>>>> should
>>>> be reinstated.
>>>>
>>>> When Mr Zelaya insisted the consultation would go ahead,
>>>>
>>>> Since Honduras's own Congress has IMPEACHED and voted to Remove Zelaya,
>>>> and
>>>> the
>>>> Honduras's own Supreme Court has ordered Zelaya's removal, How is it that
>>>> Anyone could
>>>> say that his removal is Illegal, since it would appear that Due Process
>>>> and
>>>> the Rule of Law is
>>>> being followed?
>>>>
>>>> On 9/4/2009 7:36 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course I am pleased that the US is terminating its "aid" to Honduras.
>>>> Honduras
>>>> should be glad too.  Amerika's jelly beans have fishhooks in them.
>>>>
>>>> What business does the United States have interfering with the conduct of
>>>> government in Honduras,
>>>> a sovereign state?
>>>>
>>>> The American battle for independence from the bloody British was an
>>>> illegal
>>>> coup.
>>>> We have a military base in Honduras.
>>>> Why shouldn't they throw us out of there if they could?
>>>>
>>>> How is our meddling with Honduras not an act of aggression against a weak
>>>> sovereign nation?
>>>> How is it any different from what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?
>>>>
>>>> It appears that the initiating spark in Honduras is an insistance on
>>>> violation of term limits by the now-ousted President.
>>>> What is it that we like about that?
>>>>
>>>> Is the US on the wrong side of the fight?  (once again?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/4/2009 7:04 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Jenifer meant to say, "stopped short of calling it a military
>>>> coup."
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:23 AM, John W.<jbw292002 at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Jenifer Cartwright<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stopped short of calling it a coup, but better than hoped for, huh?
>>>>    --Jenifer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Huh?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
>>>> Office of the Spokesman
>>>>
>>>> For Immediate Release
>>>>
>>>> September 3, 2009
>>>> 2009/869
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> STATEMENT BY IAN KELLY
>>>>
>>>> Termination of Assistance and Other Measures Affecting the De Facto
>>>> Regime in Honduras
>>>>
>>>> The Department of State announces the termination of a broad range of
>>>> assistance to the government of Honduras as a result of the coup
>>>> d’etat that took place on June 28.  The Secretary already had
>>>> suspended assistance shortly after the coup.
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