[Peace-discuss] "Imperialism" ?

[C. G. Estabrook]

Ron--

Your comment puzzles me, Ron.  I would think a number of members of this list 
would cop an attitude toward "America's venture into big time world politics and 
'imperialism'" (even without the scare quotes).  I would -- and I'd think you 
would, too.

Ralph is clearly suggesting that we've been wrong to assimilate American 
imperialism to "the register of the crimes, follies and misfortunes of mankind" 
and not to recognize it as a noble enterprise.

A fortiori, its apologists, like W. R. Hearst, must be splendid fellows.  I 
don't think so, and neither do you.

But jingoism like Ralph's make us complacent, while the corpses pile up in 
Obama's war (just as they did in Kennedy's, Johnson's, Nixon's, Ford's, 
Carter's, Reagan's, Bush I & II's, and Clinton's).  --CGE

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PS--Actor Edward Herrmann does an amazing turn as Hearst in the sadly neglected 
2001 flick "Cat's Meow" -- only to be outdone by the amazing Eddie Izzard as 
Charlie Chaplin -- and a generally fine cast.  Read Gibbon and watch movies -- 
that's the way to learn history...


Ron Szoke wrote:
> " You may want to revise your attitude toward the initiation of America's 
> venture into big time world politics and "imperialism."  "
> 
> This is puzzling, Ralph.  Can you cite any instance of anyone on this list 
> expressing any particular "attitude" toward the events you mention?  If not, 
> this begins to look like attacking a straw man & crowing in triumph over 
> "refuting" a fictional antagonist.  Actually it looks to me suspiciously like it 
> could be the result of some personal vendetta.  
> 
> We've endured many other instances of this kind of self-proclaimed victory 
> over those who voted for Obama in 2008, for example, but I'm afraid some of 
> us may persist in our nefarious ways despite so frequently being exposed as 
> dupes, fools, idiots,  etc.  Always sorry to disappoint triumphalists.  
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> -- Ron