[Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's responsetoNorbits'suspension

[E.Wayne Johnson]

I agree John.  I think that the police in Champaign are doing exactly what the citizens want
and some of them would help Norbits file a notch in his gun.

"My shots are clean, and my shots are Final.
My shots are deadly and when its done
You're as stiff as my smoking barrel
You're as dead as the desert night
You're and I'm a Legend
You're at Peace and...."   

- Alice Cooper

I think there is some fear of running our of money in Champaign.

And a big settlement does get people's attention.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. 
  To: C. G. Estabrook 
  Cc: E.Wayne Johnson ; Peace-discuss List ; Barbara kessel 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's responsetoNorbits'suspension




  On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:15 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:

   
    So why don't we use the vestiges of democratic process that remain?

    No one gets (re)elected to the Champaign City Council unless s/he pledges to
    dismiss Finney & Norbits and reform a corrupt police department.


  And dismiss Steve Carter as well?  His 25 years of service to the City of Champaign was just recently celebrated, was it not?


    We can make a lot of noise about that.  It should be the central issue in every
    upcoming council election. There surely is nothing of equal importance. --CGE

  Sure, we'll make our noise.  The only problem is that a MAJORITY of Champaign citizens probably don't view the Champaign Police Department as riddled with corruption.  They probably see the P.D. as doing a pretty good job of keeping them and their families and possessions safe.

  I'd be happy to be proved wrong.




    On 4/25/10 7:29 PM, John W. wrote:


      On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag

      <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:

      Barbara, Because most of us are Principle Motivated, we often forget that
      others, particularly those in positions of authority and ability, are not
      Principle Motivated, but are rather Money Motivated. I can hardly imagine a
      more Money Motivated group than the City of Champaign.  They may have a heart
      of pure stone, but their pocketbook is made of glass.  If you can drive a big
      enough stake into their hip pocket you can make them hurt enough to get the
      reforms you are looking for.  Carter and his cronies dont give a ripe red
      rat's ass about peace and justice but after they feel the sting of a huge
      financial hit, they will change their attitude.

      And how is that going to happen, Wayne?  Any financial settlement resulting
      from a civil lawsuit will come out of the pockets of We the Taxpayers.  Steve
      Carter isn't gonna feel a damned thing.  You've apparently never had a career
      where you were able to count on a virtually unlimited supply of Other
      People's Money.

      The Plaintiffs need the meanest noisiest lawyer that money can buy.

      ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Barbara kessel

      <mailto:barkes at gmail.com> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright
      <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
      <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 1:38 

      AM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response
      toNorbits'suspension

      Jennifer and interested others, Just a reminder that of the difference
      between a civil suit and a criminal suit. What Norbitz (and Finney) did or
      did not do is relevant to "wrongful death," but it only results in money to
      those who bring the suit, not to punishment of anyone. That would require a
      revised finding by the States Attorney who has already declared it an
      "accident," not involving "negligence."  Or a higher authority than the
      county, bringing some person(s) to court on criminal charges. That is my
      latest understanding at least and I am happy to be corrected, if that is not
      accurate. However, we are not just "waiting." There has been much research
      and work on the public policies that inform this entire situation of the
      "police culture." Stay tuned or come to the Champaign City Council (Tuesday
      nights) and the Human Relations Commission (evening of MAy 3). Come to the
      CUCPJ forum on Thursday, MAy 6, at the IMC. More on that soon. Barbara Kessel



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