[Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response toNorbits'suspension

[John W.]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:15 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>wrote:



> So why don't we use the vestiges of democratic process that remain?
>
> No one gets (re)elected to the Champaign City Council unless s/he pledges
> to
> dismiss Finney & Norbits and reform a corrupt police department.
>

And dismiss Steve Carter as well?  His 25 years of service to the City of
Champaign was just recently celebrated, was it not?



> We can make a lot of noise about that.  It should be the central issue in
> every
> upcoming council election. There surely is nothing of equal importance.
> --CGE


Sure, we'll make our noise.  The only problem is that a MAJORITY of
Champaign citizens probably don't view the Champaign Police Department as
riddled with corruption.  They probably see the P.D. as doing a pretty good
job of keeping them and their families and possessions safe.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong.





> On 4/25/10 7:29 PM, John W. wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:53 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag
>> <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>>
>> Barbara, Because most of us are Principle Motivated, we often forget that
>> others, particularly those in positions of authority and ability, are not
>> Principle Motivated, but are rather Money Motivated. I can hardly imagine
>> a
>> more Money Motivated group than the City of Champaign.  They may have a
>> heart
>> of pure stone, but their pocketbook is made of glass.  If you can drive a
>> big
>> enough stake into their hip pocket you can make them hurt enough to get
>> the
>> reforms you are looking for.  Carter and his cronies dont give a ripe red
>> rat's ass about peace and justice but after they feel the sting of a huge
>> financial hit, they will change their attitude.
>>
>> And how is that going to happen, Wayne?  Any financial settlement
>> resulting
>> from a civil lawsuit will come out of the pockets of We the Taxpayers.
>>  Steve
>> Carter isn't gonna feel a damned thing.  You've apparently never had a
>> career
>> where you were able to count on a virtually unlimited supply of Other
>> People's Money.
>>
>> The Plaintiffs need the meanest noisiest lawyer that money can buy.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Barbara kessel
>> <mailto:barkes at gmail.com> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright
>> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010
>> 1:38
>>
>> AM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response
>> toNorbits'suspension
>>
>> Jennifer and interested others, Just a reminder that of the difference
>> between a civil suit and a criminal suit. What Norbitz (and Finney) did or
>> did not do is relevant to "wrongful death," but it only results in money
>> to
>> those who bring the suit, not to punishment of anyone. That would require
>> a
>> revised finding by the States Attorney who has already declared it an
>> "accident," not involving "negligence."  Or a higher authority than the
>> county, bringing some person(s) to court on criminal charges. That is my
>> latest understanding at least and I am happy to be corrected, if that is
>> not
>> accurate. However, we are not just "waiting." There has been much research
>> and work on the public policies that inform this entire situation of the
>> "police culture." Stay tuned or come to the Champaign City Council
>> (Tuesday
>> nights) and the Human Relations Commission (evening of MAy 3). Come to the
>> CUCPJ forum on Thursday, MAy 6, at the IMC. More on that soon. Barbara
>> Kessel
>>
>

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