[Peace-discuss] Corn Festival -- RE: Sweet Corn Fest Fri & Sat!

[Laurie Solomon]

Here, I guess we differ.  I do not think is as clear cut and easy a matter as brainwashing.  The mere fact that they are so easily brainwashed, so unquestioningly dogmatic and uncritical, and so inclined to come to the defense of the corporate ideology even when it is clearly against their immediate interests suggests to me that enlightenment of them would just be another form of brainwashing with a revised dogma.


From: John W. 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:28 AM
To: Laurie Solomon 
Cc: Stuart Levy ; Bill Strutz ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net ; davegreen48 at yahoo.com ; Carl Estabrook AWARE ; rbkutz at gmail.com ; Ron Szoke ; MartyneConrad Wetzel ; dharley at illinois.edu ; Jenifer Cartwright ; Karen Medina 
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Corn Festival -- RE: Sweet Corn Fest Fri & Sat!




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:

  Why do people feel that they can successfully argue with mental midgets?


Primarily because Carl has apparently experienced resounding success in that endeavor.  ;-)  

These folks are not really mental midgets, though, Laurie.  They're actually quite enlightened.  They're just brainwashed by the corporate media.  They'd see right through the spin if only they were properly instructed.  ;-)



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  From: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
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    On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:09:09PM -0500, Bill Strutz wrote:

      S'allright.  It's good to know what happened, though.
      The 5-7 shift was fairly quiet.  It was in the 7-9 shift that Stuart had to
      handle some argumentive people.  I think that beer may have been a factor..
      -- Bill


    [oops, thought i'd sent this before -- that's why you hadn't seen it, Carl!]

    The ones I talked with [one or maybe two Iraq vets, and the wife of another]
    didn't seem to be drunk.  Just committed to the good effects of war.
    We're doing more good in Iraq than harm, you know.  Building schools,
    improving literacy, and fighting them over there so we don't have to
    fight them here -- the whole line.  And in their eyes, Bradley Manning
    is guilty, guilty, guilty (not just 'accused'), and no hero.



    The only really frightening encounter of the evening came later.
    Jenifer and I talked with a man (not apparently drunk) who came by with
    his young son.  He approved of bringing the troops home.   Said we should
    rid ourselves of the whole problem of the Middle East by nuking it,
    just like we did Japan (Japanese were proud people, they'd never surrender).
    Nuking the Middle East would save lots of American lives.   We know
    those people are dangerous -- just remember 9/11.
    He appeared to be serious.  Jenifer offered a counterargument:
    if some Timothy-McVeigh-like American went to Mexico and
    bombed something there, would he consider that the Mexicans
    would be right to bomb the US?  It made no dent.  America is Different.
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