[Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObamaLet Israel Attack?
unionyes
unionyes at ameritech.net
Tue Jun 1 20:40:56 CDT 2010
What needs to be done is that the American people need to DEMAND from our elected representattives in D.C. to cut ALL military and economic aid to Israel.
The entire $40 billion a year.
David J.
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From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com ; Laurie Solomon
Cc: Peace-discuss List
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObamaLet Israel Attack?
Whoa, maybe world opinion has little or no effect on Israel, but it certainly has a huge influence on the MSM: BBC World News (PBS at 5p) has done a 180 on this story!! Yesterday reporting was snotty, and dismissive about Israel's actions... lotsa references to Hamas terrorists seizing power in 2007, etc as justification for Israel's "defending itself." Today reporting is sensitive and truthful, no mention of Hamas at all... and the closing comment was (paraphrased) that international pressure would force Israel both to end the blockade AND to change its behavior to resolve conflict in the ME. Ahhh, if only, huh??
--Jenifer
--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:
From: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObama Let Israel Attack?
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:45 PM
I wouldn't hold one's breath. I do not think that the Israelis view or consider their actions a blunder; nor do I think anyone else does either. It was fairly well though out and planned - not to mention very deliberate action. I would suggest that Israel anticipated the sorts of reactions that their actions would produce and assessed both the up and the down sides for them of such actions based on their knowledge and past experiences as to what they could expect. If Turkey and Europe, China and Russia were to break off diplomatic relations with Israel and declare war with them - calling it a "police action" of course - and attacked Israel's territory with rockets and airpower or troops, then that would have be an unintended and unexpected consequence that would have taken Israel by surprise. That would be considered by Israel and the rest of the world to have been a blunder on Israel's part in the sense of a miscalculation or irrational action to have attacked the boats in international waters and/or kill and detain persons on those boats.
From: Jenifer Cartwright
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:18 PM
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObama Let Israel Attack?
I hope y're right. Let's see how responsive Israel is when it comes to the other/really big issues, and where the US draws the line. No question that this was enuff of a blunder on Israel's part that there're bound to be some perks (at least temporarily) for Palestinians.
--Jenifer
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From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: Will Obama Let Israel Attack?
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:45 PM
I empathize with your frustration, Jenifer, but it just isn't so, and from an activist point of view, it's important for people to understand that it isn't so.
Actions of the Israeli government are not impervious to external criticism.
Exercise: compare UN Security Council resolutions supported by the United States which are critical of Israeli government actions and subsequent actions by the Israeli government.
Example: This morning, the UN Security Council passed a resolution which, among other things, called on Israel to release the detainees.
Now - later the same day - it is being reported that the Israeli government has decided to release the prisoners.
Is that significant? Well, first of all, of course, the prisoners have the right to go free. But secondly, the moment they are free they get to tell their story - surely a motivation for their previous continued detention. Already, lots of stories are coming out with headlines saying, "released activists dispute Israeli government account," etc.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd like to think the US has that kind of power over Israel, and that Obama would turn this around if he could. I once believed it did (or must have had, considering the amt of US $upport), but I'm beginning to think that Israel, under Netanyahu most especially, is marching unstoppably to its own mad drummer, willfully oblivious to anything or anyone... as crazy and as hell-bent on its agenda as decades ago Germany, current N Korea, and (it could be argued in some instances) the US since its inception...
--Jenifer
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From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: Will Obama Let Israel Attack?
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Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:04 PM
The Irish Times reports that the Rachel Corrie is "ploughing ahead
with its attempt to deliver aid to Gaza despite yesterday's attack by
the Israeli navy on Gaza-bound ship the Mavi Marmara." Would the Obama
Administration permit an Israeli attack on the Rachel Corrie, as the
Obama Administration permitted the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara?
Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: Will Obama Let Israel Attack?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/rachel-corrie-continues-t_b_596014.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/1/111035/2833
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/596
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