[Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObama Let Israel Attack?

Tue Jun 1 17:22:25 CDT 2010

Whoa, maybe world opinion has little or no effect on Israel, but it certainly has a huge influence on the MSM: BBC World News (PBS at 5p) has done a 180 on this story!! Yesterday reporting was snotty, and dismissive about Israel's actions... lotsa references to Hamas terrorists seizing power in 2007, etc as justification for Israel's "defending itself." Today reporting is sensitive and truthful, no mention of Hamas at all... and the closing comment was (paraphrased) that international pressure would force Israel both to end the blockade AND to change its behavior to resolve conflict in the ME. Ahhh, if only, huh?? --Jenifer  

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:

From: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: WillObama Let Israel Attack?
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:45 PM

I wouldn't hold one's breath.  I do not think that 
the Israelis view or consider their actions a blunder; nor do I think anyone 
else does either.  It was fairly well though out and planned - not to 
mention very deliberate action.  I would suggest that Israel anticipated 
the sorts of reactions that their actions would produce and assessed both the up 
and the down sides for them of such actions based on their knowledge and past 
experiences as to what they could expect.  If Turkey and Europe, China and 
Russia were to break off diplomatic relations with Israel and declare 
war with them - calling it a "police action" of course - and attacked 
Israel's territory with rockets and airpower or troops, then that would 
have be an unintended and unexpected consequence that would have taken Israel by 
surprise.  That would be considered by Israel and the rest of the 
world to have been a blunder on Israel's part in the sense of a miscalculation 
or irrational action to have attacked the boats in international waters and/or 
kill and detain persons on those boats.

From: Jenifer Cartwright 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:18 PM
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com 
Cc: Peace-discuss List 
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: 
WillObama Let Israel Attack?

    I hope y're right. Let's see how responsive Israel is when 
      it comes to the other/really big issues, and where the US draws the line. 
      No question that this was enuff of a blunder on Israel's part that 
      there're bound to be some perks (at least temporarily) for Palestinians. 
       --Jenifer

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> 
      wrote:

From: 
        Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: 
        Re: [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: Will Obama Let 
        Israel Attack?
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" 
        <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" 
        <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 
        3:45 PM

I empathize with your frustration, Jenifer, but it just 
        isn't so, and from an activist point of view, it's important for people 
        to understand that it isn't so. 

        Actions of the Israeli government are not impervious to external 
        criticism.

        Exercise: compare UN Security Council resolutions supported by the 
        United States which are critical of Israeli government actions and 
        subsequent actions by the Israeli government. 

        Example: This morning, the UN Security Council passed a resolution 
        which, among other things, called on Israel to release the 
        detainees.

        Now - later the same day - it is being reported that the Israeli 
        government has decided to release the prisoners. 

        Is that significant? Well, first of all, of course, the prisoners 
        have the right to go free. But secondly, the moment they are free they 
        get to tell their story - surely a motivation for their previous 
        continued detention. Already, lots of stories are coming out with 
        headlines saying, "released activists dispute Israeli government 
        account," etc. 

        On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Jenifer 
        Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> 
        wrote:

              I'd like to think the US has that kind of power 
                over Israel, and that Obama would turn this around if he could. 
                 I once believed it did (or must have had, considering the 
                amt of US $upport), but I'm beginning to think that Israel, 
                under Netanyahu most especially, is marching unstoppably to its 
                own mad drummer, willfully oblivious to anything or anyone... as 
                crazy and as hell-bent on its agenda as decades ago Germany, 
                current N Korea, and (it could be argued in some instances) the 
                US since its inception...   
                 --Jenifer   

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> 
                wrote:

From: 
                  Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: 
                  [Peace-discuss] Rachel Corrie Continues Towards Gaza: Will 
                  Obama Let Israel Attack?
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: 
                  Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:04 PM

                  The Irish Times reports that the Rachel Corrie 
                  is "ploughing ahead
with its attempt to deliver aid to Gaza 
                  despite yesterday's attack by
the Israeli navy on 
                  Gaza-bound ship the Mavi Marmara." Would the 
                  Obama
Administration permit an Israeli attack on the Rachel 
                  Corrie, as the
Obama Administration permitted the Israeli 
                  attack on the Mavi Marmara?

Rachel Corrie Continues 
                  Towards Gaza: Will Obama Let Israel Attack?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/rachel-corrie-continues-t_b_596014.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/1/111035/2833
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/596

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