[Peace-discuss] ron paul - we can do better with peace

Sat May 1 09:45:41 CDT 2010

>>>I have a quite different idea than the Tea Partiers do as to what our "leaders" are lying ABOUT.

And the proof of that is....?
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  From: John W. 
  To: E.Wayne Johnson 
  Cc: Peace Discuss 
  Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul - we can do better with peace

  On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 5:13 AM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

    I think the point is that most of the Tea Partiers dont much like the Republicans either.

  I guess we'll have to disagree on that one.  They certainly seem to like the Republican slogans.

    Toys and Junk Food sounds good to me.  Stop by some time with some watermelon and a few bottles of beer and we''ll do some karaoke.

  Now there's an offer it will be extremely difficult to refuse.  ;-)

    Like I say though, these people lack good info.

  Why?  It's certainly available, particularly in the internet era.  Why don't they read?  Why do they cling to the notion that Faux News is "fair and balanced"?  Why do they believe Rush Limbaugh's crap?  Why are they incapable of critical thinking?

    They arent violent.  If they were, there'd be outbreaks already.

  There are.  There have been.  They're not organized, though.  Generally a single gun nut loses his mind and "goes postal".  It's very difficult to organize collective armed violence against the government in the United States, in case you hadn't noticed.

    But I dont think that they ought to be pushed any further. 

  Crap, there are virtually no limits to which the "great masses" of Americans can be pushed.  Especially when the propaganda is so pervasive, as Carl is always pointing out.  The masses LOVE propaganda as long as it caters to their insecurities.  They eat it up.

    In what ways are you like the Tea Partiers, John?

  Precious few.  I like liberty as well as the next guy, but not to the exclusion of the collective good.  I recognize that most of our politicians are liars, but I have a quite different idea than the Tea Partiers do as to what our "leaders" are lying ABOUT.

    Have you seen the movie "Idiocracy"?

  No.  Should I?  Who made it?  What's it about?

     ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: John W. 
      To: E.Wayne Johnson 
      Cc: Peace Discuss 
      Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:45 PM
      Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul - we can do better with peace

      On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 3:49 AM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

        John, 
        I think you are pulling my leg but I'll bite.

      Not at all.  I think anyone who would respect Sarah Palin and/or Dubya Jr., identify with them, and vote for such characters, is just plain stupid.   Stupid people are intimidated by smart people, and feel safe around people who are as stupid as themselves, even if they are being led over a precipice.

        Thomas Jefferson wrote regarding Shay's Rebellion:

        "...a little rebellion now and then is a good thing. 
        The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

      *yawn*  You and Carl both have your favorite little quotations that you trot out all the time, but they're usually pretty irrelevant.  They're full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.   Who exactly is refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants?  Sarah Palin and Dubya Jr.?  Surely you jest.

        There is a great mass of people in the USA who feel that their government is not responsive to them and takes
        their tax money and spends it for things they dont want. 

      Yes, yes, yes.  And if that "great mass of people" paid no federal taxes whatsoever, they'd spend most of their newly-found surplus on toys and junk food, be as broke as before, and want the government to help them out when they got in financial trouble.

      Plus they're too stupid to realize that, even as their (mostly Republican) politicians are telling them how they're in favor of "smaller government", the very same politicians are in fact increasing the size and complexity of government and taking MORE of their tax dollars.  Ronnie Reagan, the "Great Communicator", was a prime example.

      They are the the masses of America and they perceive that
        the country is run by elite and immoral people who want to teach queer-ism and candy-ass Hillary-ism in their schools.  Again I think that Sarah comes off as being as fake as a 3 -dollar bill clinton but many of those people think that Sarah is like them. 

      Precisely.  And the characteristic they most share is STUPIDITY.

        Hillary is not like them.  Obama is not like them,  Obama is not only black but he's a mulatto and an uppity one at that.

      Now there's a catchy phrase.  I need add no commentary to that.

        These people dont generally have good information.

      Precisely.

          They arent violent by nature

      Oh?  Sez who?  

        but if they had the full scoop, then the elite bastards had sure enough better buy handguns.

      Why?  The "great masses of people" aren't violent by nature, right?

      Urg.

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: John W. 
          To: E.Wayne Johnson 
          Cc: Peace Discuss 
          Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:50 PM
          Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul - we can do better with peace

          On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 8:38 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

            I heard Sarah Palin give her speech in St; Paul in 2008 and I dont like her much at all.  But people relate to her because they think that she is "one of us" (wrong or right).  Actually W had the same sort of appeal.  Whether she or W or any of the other cartoon characters are real people or just electrons in a machine is irrelevant.  The people identify with the character just like the kids relate to Mighty Mouse, Mickey Mouse, or XiYangYang.  Ideology is bunk.  Manipulation of the masses is the only thing that matters.

          And what, pray, is the characteristic in Sarah Palin and Dubya Jr. that causes "people" to relate to them, to think that they are "one of us"?  What are the "people" identifying with?

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