[Peace-discuss] The Pope...

[C. G. Estabrook]

 From the BBC: "Austen Ivereigh, coordinator of the Catholic Voices group, said 
that while this was the first time the Pope had voiced such an opinion on 
condoms, it was in line with what Catholic moral theologians have been saying 
for many years."

On 11/20/10 8:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> It's been an argument coming from church officials - bishops and clergy, 
> particularly in the global south - for some time.
>
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> On 11/20/10 8:17 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
>> Carl - I think I found where you're quoting from and don't agree with your 
>> interpretation of it.  It says that the Pope has been criticized by even 
>> church officials on his view that monogamous couples should not use condoms 
>> to avoid disease. It doesn't mention how many church officials. Just before 
>> this statement, the article says that the Pope did not mention couples where 
>> one spouse is infected, mentioning only the case of male prostitutes. (BTW, I 
>> support any move toward condom use, but of course for everybody, not just 
>> males and male prostitutes. Didn't want to give the wrong impression.)
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu 
>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> As the article points out, church officials have accepted  "condom use for 
>>> ... couples [with an HIV+ spouse] to protect the uninfected spouse from 
>>> transmission."  The pope's remarks will reinforce that opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/10 4:40 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
>>>> Huh...Surprising. Like Carl implies, it looks like the Church can permit 
>>>> condom use when it doesn't directly impede procreation. So tell me if I got 
>>>> the Pope's view wrong: Condoms used to stop diseases are fine, only when 
>>>> the sexual act in which they're used cannot result in pregnancy. This is 
>>>> surprising, since someone opposed to homosexuality could easily argue that 
>>>> allowing for condom use among homosexual males is also promoting sex that 
>>>> does not result in procreation. Like everything coming from the Vatican, it 
>>>> seems a little convoluted.
>>>>
>>>> Corey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:56 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu 
>>>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...was making the fairly obvious point that it's better not to risk the 
>>>>> spread of disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> His comment attracts notice only because earlier popes had disapproved of 
>>>>> condoms for birth control.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's fair to say that the pope doesn't approve of homosexual acts 
>>>>> among adult males.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/10 1:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>>>>> Omg, color me shocked reading the Pope's stance on the use of condoms for 
>>>>>> male prostitutes until I realized that once again, this benefits ONLY 
>>>>>> males (double duty this time, ya might say). So the pope is okay w/ 
>>>>>> homosexuality so long as it's limited to ADULT males?? Any chance that 
>>>>>> the Christian right and tea-baggers will follow suit, do ya suppose??
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_condoms
>>>>>>  --Jenifer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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