[Peace-discuss] The Pope...

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Yep, he's protecting just the guys and the gays when it comes to HIV-AIDS, continues to exclude heteros. He also sez gays should follow DADT if they're already ordained, and find another career if they're not. My personal fave is his saying that when a pope is unable to function he should "consider" resigning (paraphrasing). I tho'd "Catholic" meant "universal",but seems it really means "cover-up." More articles by googling pope condoms. --Jenifer 
--- On Sat, 11/20/10, Corey Mattson <coreymattson at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Corey Mattson <coreymattson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Pope...
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:17 PM

Carl - I think I found where you're quoting from and don't agree with your interpretation of it.  It says that the Pope has been criticized by even church officials on his view that monogamous couples should not use condoms to avoid disease. It doesn't mention how many church officials. Just before this statement, the article says that the Pope did not mention couples where one spouse is infected, mentioning only the case of male prostitutes. (BTW, I support any move toward condom use, but of course for everybody, not just males and male prostitutes. Didn't want to give the wrong impression.)

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:



    As the article points out, church officials have accepted  "condom
    use for ... couples [with an HIV+ spouse] to protect the uninfected
    spouse from transmission."  The pope's remarks will reinforce that
    opinion. 

    

    

    On 11/20/10 4:40 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
    
      Huh...Surprising. Like Carl implies, it looks like the Church
        can permit condom use when it doesn't directly impede
        procreation. So tell me if I got the Pope's view wrong: Condoms
        used to stop diseases are fine, only when the sexual act in
        which they're used cannot result in pregnancy. This is
        surprising, since someone opposed to homosexuality could easily
        argue that allowing for condom use among homosexual males is
        also promoting sex that does not result in procreation. Like
        everything coming from the Vatican, it seems a little
        convoluted.
      

      
      Corey
      

        

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        On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:56 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
        wrote:

        

      
      
         ...was making the fairly obvious point that it's better
          not to risk the spread of disease. 

          

          His comment attracts notice only because earlier popes had
          disapproved of condoms for birth control.

          

          I think it's fair to say that the pope doesn't approve of
          homosexual acts among adult males.

          

          On 11/20/10 1:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
          
            
              
                
                  
                    Omg, color me shocked reading the Pope's stance
                      on the use of condoms for male prostitutes until I
                      realized that once again, this benefits ONLY males
                      (double duty this time, ya might say). So the pope
                      is okay w/ homosexuality so long as it's limited
                      to ADULT males?? Any chance that the Christian
                      right and tea-baggers will follow suit, do ya
                      suppose??
                    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_condoms
                     --Jenifer
                  
                
              
            
            

            
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