[Peace-discuss] The Pope...

[Stuart Levy]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 08:28:28AM -0800, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Yep, he's protecting just the guys and the gays when it comes to HIV-AIDS, continues to exclude heteros. He also sez gays should follow DADT if they're already ordained, and find another career if they're not. My personal fave is his saying that when a pope is unable to function he should "consider" resigning (paraphrasing). I tho'd "Catholic" meant "universal",but seems it really means "cover-up." More articles by googling pope condoms. --Jenifer 

The BBC last night noted that the Pope had said in
Italian "una prostituta", a word used for both male and
female prostitutes.  The speaker suggested that it was a
mistranslation to read that as referring to males only.


> --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Corey Mattson <coreymattson at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Corey Mattson <coreymattson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Pope...
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:17 PM
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> Carl - I think I found where you're quoting from and don't agree with your interpretation of it.  It says that the Pope has been criticized by even church officials on his view that monogamous couples should not use condoms to avoid disease. It doesn't mention how many church officials. Just before this statement, the article says that the Pope did not mention couples where one spouse is infected, mentioning only the case of male prostitutes. (BTW, I support any move toward condom use, but of course for everybody, not just males and male prostitutes. Didn't want to give the wrong impression.)
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> On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>     As the article points out, church officials have accepted  "condom
>     use for ... couples [with an HIV+ spouse] to protect the uninfected
>     spouse from transmission."  The pope's remarks will reinforce that
>     opinion. 
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>     On 11/20/10 4:40 PM, Corey Mattson wrote:
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>       Huh...Surprising. Like Carl implies, it looks like the Church
>         can permit condom use when it doesn't directly impede
>         procreation. So tell me if I got the Pope's view wrong: Condoms
>         used to stop diseases are fine, only when the sexual act in
>         which they're used cannot result in pregnancy. This is
>         surprising, since someone opposed to homosexuality could easily
>         argue that allowing for condom use among homosexual males is
>         also promoting sex that does not result in procreation. Like
>         everything coming from the Vatican, it seems a little
>         convoluted.
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>       Corey
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>         On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:56 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
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>          ...was making the fairly obvious point that it's better
>           not to risk the spread of disease. 
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>           His comment attracts notice only because earlier popes had
>           disapproved of condoms for birth control.
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>           I think it's fair to say that the pope doesn't approve of
>           homosexual acts among adult males.
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>           On 11/20/10 1:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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>                     Omg, color me shocked reading the Pope's stance
>                       on the use of condoms for male prostitutes until I
>                       realized that once again, this benefits ONLY males
>                       (double duty this time, ya might say). So the pope
>                       is okay w/ homosexuality so long as it's limited
>                       to ADULT males?? Any chance that the Christian
>                       right and tea-baggers will follow suit, do ya
>                       suppose??
>                     http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_condoms
>                      --Jenifer
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