[Peace-discuss] CNN's N. S. Sherlock and Shirley Knott

[E. Wayne Johnson]

"Why am I raving against them?
Why bother?
The only thing that will stop them is a drastic breakdown
in our industrial system...No moral or intellectual arguement
has ever stopped them in the past..."
- Robert Crumb (1977)




On 11/27/2010 2:32 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
> I don't think that there will be much rounding up and laying hands on 
> scapegoats
> to bear the sins of the American masses in the aftermath of this one.
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> Nor will they suddenly wake up and say Omigod, what have we done?
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> Fragmentation of the Untied States seems to be the only possible 
> solution, as Bill Kauffman has
> discussed if not prescribed, although one can likewise imagine being 
> pursued by the
> fragments, terminator style.
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> On 11/27/2010 12:34 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> What would we have said of a liberal political group in Germany in 
>> 1944 that complained that it was too expensive to run both the 
>> concentration camps /and/ the war in Russia, and therefore that it 
>> was time to economize, downsizing each operation...?  I don't think 
>> that would have saved them at Nuremberg.
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>> On 11/26/10 10:22 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
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>> > Is America on the path to 'permanent war'?
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>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/23/war.afghan/index.html
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>> > "...John Cioffi, a political science professor at University
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>> > California, Riverside, says the nation's "increasingly
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>> unhinged
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>> > ideological politics" makes it difficult for the country to
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>> > itself from battles in Afghanistan, Iraq and Central Asia.
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>> > U.S. is not on the path to permanent war; it is in the midst
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>> > permanent war,"_ Cioffi says. Permanent war is made possible
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>> > massive defense spending that has been viewed as untouchable.
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>> > that may change with the recent financial crisis and the
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>> > the nation's industry, Cioffi says. More ordinary Americans
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>> > unquestioned military spending, Cioffi says. /"All this
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>> > time in the future when the government will no longer have
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>> > resources or popular support to maintain what amounts to an
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>> imperial
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>> > military presence around the world/," he says.
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>> > ****
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