[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Does the "War on Terror" Still Exist. Controversial Speaker at 7pm TONIGHT in Follinger Auditorium!!! PLEASE ATTEND!!!
Susan Song
ssong324 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 13 16:16:49 CDT 2010
Hi David,
I think Rachel said that she wasn't writing from a position within the
university, so I think it's unfair to continue to claim that she is still doing
so. She stated that she isn't writing to represent the university, so I think to
put the burden on her to defend the actions of others in the academic community
is unfair. I also think it's unfair and in fact not representative of other
feminists to claim that she represents all feminists and women on this campus.
I'm also speaking from a position of being a feminist, a student, and an
anti-war activist. I've been involved in the anti-war movement since I came on
this campus. While I understand your claim that there is a lack of events being
organized in response to racism in local institutions and your frustration in
having confronted Dr. Pipes in the past, I also don't think we should let Dr.
Pipes speak unchallenged. I don't understand what you say when you talk about an
"academic exercise". I think your suggestion of a panel, though critical, is an
intellectual exercise and is less effective if we don't invite academics to
participate or attend. Could you clarify if this interpretation is incorrect,
because I'd like to work with you on an intervention that addresses racism in
this community.
I would also like to say that members of Campus Antiwar Network are going to be
in attendance at this talk to challenge the claims of Dr. Pipes and other
conservative folks in attendance. I understand and support what you say when you
say that we should confront racism in our own backyard. However, I also think
that to let Dr. Pipes speak unchallenged by progressive voices would only allow
him to perpetuate myths about the "War" on Terror, myths I believe we should
confront.
Thank you for your thoughts and criticism. If you would like to continue this
conversation, I propose we move it off the listserve because I'm not sure how
this conversation relates to building the anti-war movement in this campus and
community.
Best,
-Susan
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From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: Rachel Storm <rstorm2 at illinois.edu>
Cc: Shantel Martinez <uiuc.martinez at gmail.com>; Jason C. Romero
<jasoncromero at gmail.com>; hardcore at iresist.org; peace at anti-war.net; mister garza
<mistergarza at gmail.com>; iaah-discussion-list at googlegroups.com; Brian Dolinar
<briandolinar at gmail.com>; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
Teresa Ramos <tramosuiuc at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 3:15:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace] Fwd: Does the "War on Terror" Still Exist. Controversial
Speaker at 7pm TONIGHT in Follinger Auditorium!!! PLEASE ATTEND!!!
Rachel, my conern, in case I wasn't clear, is about the contrast between the
lack of any clear response to racism in our own backyard--Hillel, etc.--that has
real consequences in relation to our wars; as opposed to the haste with
which--for example--a demonstration is organized after the murder of Dr. Tiller.
These characterizations say a lot about the meaning of "human rights" in the
academic community, and among those whose job it is to "advocate" for such
rights. It seems to me that when it comes to something like "human rights," we
aren't or shouldn't be wearing different hats at work and in the community. That
would seem to undermine the sincerity and effectiveness of the whole project.
So Rachel, let's address the issue: when has the Women's Resource Center ever
shown any concern for the women around the world who are having bombs dropped on
them?
As you may know, I recently commented on the military flyover and subsequent
"U.S.A." chants at a football game. It was quite a masculine sounding chant, I
must say, both literally and figuratively, meaning bellicosity-wise, and
potentially violence-against-women-wise. Any word from the WRC about how young
women sitting in the stands might feel about this? How such belliocse conformity
among men might relate to violence against women? Do you really feel that women
on this campus could possibly feel comfortable in speaking their minds against
war, if they would be so inclined to want to do so?
What is the WRC doing about it?
Just asking.
David
________________________________
From: Rachel Storm <rstorm2 at illinois.edu>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jason C. Romero <jasoncromero at gmail.com>; Teresa Ramos
<tramosuiuc at gmail.com>; Shantel Martinez <uiuc.martinez at gmail.com>; mister garza
<mistergarza at gmail.com>; iaah-discussion-list at googlegroups.com;
hardcore at iresist.org; peace at anti-war.net; Brian Dolinar
<briandolinar at gmail.com>; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace] Fwd: Does the "War on Terror" Still Exist. Controversial
Speaker at 7pm TONIGHT in Follinger Auditorium!!! PLEASE ATTEND!!!
I apologize for being careless and leaving my signature in my last e-mail. I was
writing not in my position at the University, but rather as someone with
individual concerns. I sent that e-mail quickly and carelessly and it wont
happen again.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Respectfully,
>
>I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from attending, out of curiosity, outrage,
>or whatever. But what can this accomplish?
>
>Here's how I feel. We have a quiescent campus in regard to Israel-Palestine,
>anti-Long War, and other related issues. We have an addled right-wing economics
>professor, Fred Gottheil, claiming to stand up for women and gays in the Muslim
>world in order to silence criticism of Israel (for those who don't know, this
>was reflected in an article and subsequent letters in the N-G; the DI has
>refused to publish a letter I sent regarding this affair, and has covered it in
>no other way).
>
>
>So what does the Women's Resource Center, etc., have to say about all of this?
>There has to be a better way than to simply react to the appearnce of Daniel
>Pipes.
>
>How about this? Let's document the violations to women's rights, gay rights,
>etc. in the Muslim world that pertain to our wars (and Israel's) against them.
>Put along side that, if you want, a concern with honor killings, suppression of
>gays, etc. Put along side that a concern with the murder of women in this
>country by their husbands. I mean, some context and perspective, if you want to
>make this about women, gays, or whomever (not that plain old men don't matter).
>Then let's think about a political analysis that makes some sense.
>
>Then how about getting a panel organized to address the various issues raised by
>Islamophobia, Zionism on campus, Gottheil, his targets, etc. Shouldn't be too
>hard to attract an audience. But please, don't make an academic exercise out of
>it. We might address the racism of the institutions supporting this event,
>especially Hillel. Are you up for it? Can you handle being called an
>anti-Semite? It carries a little more wallop than being called a radical
>feminist.
>
>For example, you might want to ask Matti Bunzl, the anthropologist (sic) who is
>head of the Program for Jewish Culture and Society, to talk about being a gay
>man and a Zionist, how that all works together in relation to human rights for
>Palestinians, etc., not to mention academic piety. Lots to talk about,
>hypocritically or otherwise.
>
>Or, we could just sit and fume at Daniel Pipes, as if this just started
>yesterday, when I've been talking about him for well over a decade, including
>before he visited here in 2003.
>
>David Green
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Rachel Storm <rstorm2 at illinois.edu>
>To: Jason C. Romero <jasoncromero at gmail.com>; Teresa Ramos
><tramosuiuc at gmail.com>; Shantel Martinez <uiuc.martinez at gmail.com>; mister garza
><mistergarza at gmail.com>; iaah-discussion-list at googlegroups.com;
>hardcore at iresist.org; peace at anti-war.net; Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com>
>Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 1:41:18 PM
>Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Does the "War on Terror" Still Exist. Controversial
>Speaker at 7pm TONIGHT in Follinger Auditorium!!! PLEASE ATTEND!!!
>
>
>See below. I don't know much about Daniel Pipes, but he's all over Youtube and
>and well, Fox News digs him. Anyone want to attend?
>
>
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Campus Antiwar Network [U of I] <can.uiuc at gmail.com>
>Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:23 PM
>Subject: Does the "War on Terror" Still Exist. Controversial Speaker at 7pm
>TONIGHT in Follinger Auditorium!!! PLEASE ATTEND!!!
>To:
>
>
>Hello all. I just was made aware of this event. Dr. Daniel Pipes is being
>brought here to give a talk tonight at 7pm in Follinger. It is being
>cosponsored by Hillel, the Åmerican-Israeli Coalition, and other Pro-Israel,
>Islamophobic groups. Following is more information. Please join us in making
>sure the hatred and Islamophobic sentiments that will be spread tonight is not
>welcome on our campus!!!
>
>
>The event is on the Hillel calendar, and also has a Facebook page, on which it
>says this:
>
>"Does the "War on Terror" still exist? Dr. Daniel Pipes, Middle East scholar,
>author, and lecturer, will address this question, and shed light on a tumultuous
>struggle which extends from distant deserts to academic halls, from the sheep
>farm to the metropolis. You won't want to miss this amazing opportunity to hear
>Dr. Pipes' message, and ask him your questions directly!
>
>Dr. Pipes studies, writes, and lectures nationwide on the ...conflict between
>radical Islam and the West. He knows Arabic, and has his doctorate in medieval
>Islamic history; his studies have led him to conclude that "It's a mistake to
>blame Islam, a religion 14 centuries old, for the evil that should be ascribed
>to militant Islam, a totalitarian ideology less than a century old. Militant
>Islam is the problem, but moderate Islam is the solution." He has taught world
>history at the University of Chicago, history at Harvard, and policy strategy at
>the Naval War College, in addition to directing the Foreign Policy Research
>Institute serving at the U.S. Institute of Peace. Today he directs the thinktank
>he founded, the Middle East Forum, and oversees Campus Watch, a project that
>critiques academic literature published by North American Middle East
>departments. His personal website is at www.DanielPipes.org.
>
>This event is cosponsored by Stand With Us, the David Project, the Jewish
>Community Relations Council, the Hillel Foundation at the University of
>Illinois, the Chabad Jewish Center at the University of Illinois &
>Champaign-Urbana, the American-Israeli Student Coalition, Great News Radio
>(WGNN/WGNJ), the Orange and Blue Observer, and the Illini Conservative Union."
>
>Certainly, speakers and organizations like this are promoting hate and
>Islamophobia. Hillel should be taken to task for this, let's make that clear.
>Nevertheless, I'm not at all sure what response is merited to what will most
>likely--in this era--be a poorly attended event.
>
>--
>University of Illinois Campus Antiwar Network
>http://www.campusantiwar.net/
>http://uiuccan.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>--
>_____________________________________________Kind regards,
>
>Rachel Storm
>Program Coordinator, Illinois Women's Resources Center
>The Women's Resources Center, University of Illinois
>Student Affairs--Office of Inclusion and Intercultural Relations
>703 S. Wright Street, Champaign, IL 61820
>MC-302
>(217) 333-3137 (office phone)
>(217) 244-3167 (fax)
>(630) 677-7219 (cell)
>
>
>"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
>to read." -Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
_____________________________________________Kind regards,
Rachel Storm
Program Coordinator, Illinois Women's Resources Center
The Women's Resources Center, University of Illinois
Student Affairs--Office of Inclusion and Intercultural Relations
703 S. Wright Street, Champaign, IL 61820
MC-302
(217) 333-3137 (office phone)
(217) 244-3167 (fax)
(630) 677-7219 (cell)
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
to read." -Groucho Marx
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