[Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing people

[C. G. Estabrook]

  The only way we're going to de-rail this war - not a mistake but a crime 
consistent with ongoing US policy - is by getting Congress to vote against 
funding it, as in Vietnam and Nicaragua.  That means voting for people who vote 
against funding.


On 10/17/10 2:46 PM, Laurie Solomon wrote:
> Of course Carl, that is bullshit.  His soul just as Gill's intentions are 
> precisely what is at issue since one's voting decision is really about trust 
> in the candidate and the candidates judgment and long range overall 
> intentions.  What a person does in terms of actions may be taken as an 
> indication of of their general beliefs and intentions, morality, honesty, and 
> trustworthiness in general only if their actions are of proven consistence 
> over a relatively long period and not fleeting opportunistic pragmatic 
> expressions based on the prevailing winds of the moment.
>
> Unlike the mass marketed notion of representation which would have it as a 
> opinion poll driven popularity contest in which the representative follows the 
> demands of his constituency as necessary for political expediency, the voter 
> in reality can only participate under Edmund Burke's notion of representation 
> in which representation is not actual but virtual; wherein the voter selects 
> someone to virtually represent them base on the voter's perception and 
> expectations of a candidate's general beliefs, good judgment, morality, 
> honesty, trustworthiness and intentions (e.g., the candidate's general soul 
> which underlies any overt and specific actions, decisions, or judgments they 
> may make over the long run with consistency).
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
> Cc: <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing people
>
>>  The state of Tim Johnson's soul is not at issue.
>>
>> His vote against the war (and David Gill's lack of same) is.
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/10 11:47 AM, Karen Medina wrote:
>>>> Killing people is the most important thing the Obama administration is
>>>> doing.
>>> For many years, Tim Johnson had no problem with killing people in
>>> Iraq, Afghanistan, ...
>>> Tim Johnson STILL has no problem with the United States support of
>>> Israel killing people.
>>>
>>> ergo: Tim Johnson's motivation is not the stopping of killing people.
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