[Peace-discuss] This list is for brief announcements only

carol inskeep carolinskeep at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 21 11:38:24 CDT 2010


Discussions of this nature belong on Peace Discuss.  

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:

From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss]   Fw: Money Can't Vote
To: "Gregg Gordon" <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace List" <peace at lists.chambana.net>, "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:09 PM



  
    
  First, Iraq and Afghanistan are both part of what the Pentagon calls
    "The Long War" (for oil) in the Mideast.  So far, the US has killed
    a million people in Iraq under Clinton (whose Secretary of State
    said that the tens of thousands of dead children were "worth it"); a
    million under Bush; and apparently hundreds of thousands in AfPak
    under Bush and his third (Obama) term.

    

    That falls short of the perhaps 4 million we killed in SE Asia, but
    of course Obama's escalated murders in SW Asia are in no way
    justified by being fewer in number than Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon's in
    Vietnam. 

    

    It's difficult to determine when the Long War begins, but it takes a
    tick up in the Carter administration when Carter (and Obama's)
    adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski sends Osama bin Laden and friends into
    Afghanistan (before the Russian invasion) "to give the Russians a
    Vietnam of their own," as he said at the time, in the most expensive
    CIA operation to date.

    

    If a Republican administration after 2012 brings Obama's AfPak war
    to an end, then we'll have a third example of a Democratic war
    concluded by Republicans in as many generations. But that may not be
    likely. The news suggests that the Obama administration is looking
    to expand the war with an attack on Pakistan and/or Iran.  It
    certainly isn't looking to abandon the world's greatest
    energy-producing region.

    

    Control of Mideast energy resources has been a cornerstone of US
    foreign policy since 1945. Obama is simply lying when he says the
    war is to "stop terrorism" - it obviously increases terrorism - but
    he has to lie, because the only Constitutional authority he has to
    wage war in the Mideast is Congress' "Authorization for the Use of
    Military Force" of September 2001 - which is directed against
    terrorism. 

    

    Something positive to do: years ago, there was a great debate in
    America, "How do we get out of Vietnam?"  The best answer was given
    by Herb Caen: "Ships and planes." Load up the troops and bring them
    home.  The Russians did - and survived and prospered from the end of
    their war.

    

    Eventually we did, but it took two presidents' being driven from
    office and (even more important) a revolt of the American conscript
    army  to do it.   

    

    Regards, CGE

    

    On 10/20/10 7:15 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
    
      
      
        So I conclude from your statement that you don't consider
          either Iraq or Afghanistan to be "major" wars.  So why are you
          so worked up about them?  I think you're just still mad at
          Lyndon Johnson.
         
        And please, don't accuse me of being some kind of racist
          who doesn't mind us murdering brown people.  That is so
          lame.  It's just that not all of us see the world in as simple
          terms as you seem to.  Simple solutions are nice, but they're
          mainly for the simple-minded.
         
        All I'm saying is if you're so gung-ho on stopping the war,
          why don't you come up with something positive to do (as
          opposed to sniping from the sidelines) that might help get us
          closer to that goal?  We'll all get behind you.

        
        

          
              
              From: C. G.
              Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>

              To: Gregg
              Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>

              Cc: Jenifer
              Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>; Peace List
              <peace at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss
              <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>

              Sent: Wed,
              October 20, 2010 5:10:40 PM

              Subject:
              Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fw: Money Can't Vote

            

            You are aware, are you not, that America's major wars since
            WWII - called by synecdoche "Korea" and "Vietnam" - were
            started by Democratic administrations and ended by
            Republican administrations.  Since the current Democratic
            administration has greatly expanded the killing in AfPak,
            it's hard to argue that they're going to reverse their
            policies. Voting for them is an acquiescence to those
            policies.  

            

            To say of Obama and the Democrats, "Let them kill some
            Asians, because they might do some good someplace else," is
            at best a counsel of despair, if not an outright  criminal
            attitude.  Particularly when it seems that they're doing
            precisely the wrong things elsewhere, too - not
            surprisingly, because they're working for the owners of the
            banks, the insurance companies, the oil and construction
            companies, etc.  --CGE

            

            

            On 10/20/10 4:48 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
            
              
                Maybe because there are other important issues that
                  she does agree with him on.  The only way
                  you're going to find a candidate you're in 100%
                  agreement with is to run for office.  If support for
                  the war is an absolute deal breaker for you, fine. 
                  Not everybody sees it that way.  But if you think the
                  war will end sooner if more Republicans get elected, I
                  think you're out of your mind.

                
                

                  
                      
                      From:
                      C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>

                      To:
                      Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>

                      Cc:
                      Peace List <peace at lists.chambana.net>;
                      Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>

                      Sent:
                      Wed, October 20, 2010 4:33:52 PM

                      Subject:
                      Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fw: Money Can't Vote

                    

                    This guy supports the war. I can't see why anyone on
                    an anti-war list would contribute to him.

                    

                    

                    On 10/20/10 4:28 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
                    
                      
                        
                          
                            Another
                                  request for help...
                              I love this
                                    guy!
                               --Jenifer

                                  

                                --- On Wed,
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