[Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Sun Oct 24 07:32:50 CDT 2010

Joy, in all honesty, I've made a habit of posting on this list things that I 
hope that others will find informative, and views that I've given some thought 
to and want to share with others, whether or not they wish to respond. I don't 
have a problem with it either way--the only problem I have is being told that I 
shouldn't say this or that, or that I don't allow for others to respond. That's 
up to them, I have no control. Again, if people object to the content of any 
postings, they can either respond to them or delete them. I've chosen to 
continue to subscribe to this list and contribute, because I like it and enjoy 
it. I'm not sure what the problem is, other than that some people might not post 
because they are afraid others won't agree with them. I can't do anything about 
that. This listserv should be for substantive, respectful, and meaningful 
debate. 

David

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From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:20:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

David,

I am sorry that my poor knowledge of computers only included you in my 
response.  I have no problems with allowing the group to read and comment on my 
opinions.  My basic sense of fair play is shouting right now.  Why are no 
efforts taking place to encourage others to participate in discussions in 
place.  Please don't give me the line that everyone knows that they are welcome 
to participate at any time because there is clearly no evidence of this.  The 
discussions are limited to just a few people bantering back and forth with one 
another.  I want to hear from other members of this list serve whether or not 
they feel welcome to participate or even change the topic of discussion.  From 
you, David, I want to hear you start a discussion of your choice so that we have 
choices.

Let's use this list serve for what it was meant for,

Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:03:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy,

You took this off-list in your response to me. I am of course violating your 
privacy by putting it back on-list. But that's how I feel about it. 

I disagree with your comments about the list. My disagreements are so 
fundamental and so obvious, that all I can so is express my consternation and 
amazement at your assertions.

The point of this list is for individuals to inform each other, and 
discuss/debate important issues. For the most part, I've always liked it just 
fine. When I haven't, I've done other things.

If you have a response, please keep it on-list. Neither of our comments to each 
other have any meaning except in the context of this list and its readers.

David

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From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 1:19:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

David,

My concerns stem from the creation of a large list serve for the benefit of many 
now being taken over by less than a handful of people.  What efforts are we 
doing to encourage new people to start their own discussion?  This group has 
simply created a platform for these folks to banter back and forth with each 
other.  I resent being given the option to leave the list and I am not sure why 
I should need to.  Is it because it is out of control?  Is it because we should 
just throw up our hands and say "boys will be boys"?  I know it cannot be 
because this is a free flowing exchange of opinions..it just isn't.  We cannot 
hide the large purple elephant in the room here.

I agree that is issue has reared its ugly head on more than one occasion and I 
think it is time to meet to discuss fully what is the purpose and intent of this 
list serve.

Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:44:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy, that's just ridiculous, and I resent it. This space is for those who have 
substantive comments, and for others to substantively disagree with those 
comments. You're offended by the content of some comments. You're welcome to say 
why that's the case. Please don't try to silence those that you don't agree 
with. If you're not interested in what some people have to say, then you can 
resign from the list, or only selectively open the messages from those that you 
tend to agree with.

David Green

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From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Cc: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; Brian Dolinar 
<briandolinar at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:51:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Wayne,

All you want is to have a captured audience to listen to your pontifications.  
Thanks to you this medium has turned into a private chat room instead of the 
public space that it was created for.  It is also evident that you do not read 
other e mails as they are asking you, more gently that I intend to, to change 
your venue.  Wayne, meet somewhere else, in person and chat to your hearts 
content; I could care less.  I am tired of being held captive by your tiny group 
of wannabees and I will express my views that you need to be contained.

Joy  

----- Original Message -----
From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss" 
<peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "Brian Dolinar" <briandolinar at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:21:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy
Since the hindrance of free speech and discourse are important part
of the US government's strategy to stifle opposition to the war, I am
surprised that you are so interested in control on this list.

"I am expected to receive this trash in my inbox on a daily basis?"
Poor Baby.

We need more hooliganism and fewer schoolmarm-ism if we are to 
ever overthrow the war-mongering.

Wayne

On 10/23/2010 4:53 AM, jgeo61 at comcast.net wrote: 
What is this all about?  I am expected to receive this trash in my inbox on a 
daily basis?  My insight for the day is GET OFF THIS LISTSERVE!!  Take your 
PRIVATE foul mouthed chats SOMEWHERE ELSE!  I do not want to be an audience 
member any further to the lot of you hooligans.  

>
>JOY GEORGE
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>Cc: "Brian Dolinar" <briandolinar at gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:58:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only
>
>[Someone writing as "Brian Dolinar, Ph.D." has an insightful political comment 
>to make; 
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>it will undoubtedly add to the clarity of out joint considerations.  Viz., and 
>to wit--]
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>On 10/22/10 8:53 AM, Brian Dolinar wrote:
>> FUCK OFF!
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>> BD
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