[Peace-discuss] Civility, not censorship [This list is for brief announcements only]

Sun Oct 24 11:19:29 CDT 2010

Thanks for including the word respectful, David (the highlighting 'way below is mine). It's my impression that we -- Joy and I, and now, David -- are promoting civility (which may require self-censorship prior to posting), NOT censorship by others. If we're respectful when we post to Peace-discuss (and also respect the "rules" governing the two listservs -- Peace is for brief announcements only), then everyone will be more likely to contribute to substantive and informative debate (rather than remain silent or exit the listserv(s) entirely).   --Jenifer 

--- On Sun, 10/24/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 7:32 AM

Joy, in all honesty, I've made a habit of posting on this list things that I hope that others will find informative, and views that I've given some thought to and want to share with others, whether or not they wish to respond. I don't have a problem with it either way--the only problem I have is being told that I shouldn't say this or that, or that I don't allow for others to respond. That's up to them, I have no control. Again, if people object to the content of any postings, they can either respond to them or delete them. I've chosen to continue to subscribe to this list and contribute, because I like it and enjoy it. I'm not sure what the problem is, other than that some people might not post because they are afraid others won't agree with them. I can't do anything about that. This
 listserv should be for substantive, respectful, and meaningful debate. 

David

From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:20:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

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David,

I am sorry that my poor knowledge of computers only included you in my response.  I have no problems with allowing the group to read and comment on my opinions.  My basic sense of fair play is shouting right now.  Why are no efforts taking place to encourage others to participate in discussions in place.  Please don't give me the line that everyone knows that they are welcome to participate at any time because there is clearly no evidence of this.  The discussions are limited to just a few people bantering back and forth with one another.  I want to hear from other members of this list serve whether or not they feel welcome to participate or even change the topic of discussion.  From you, David, I want to hear you start a discussion of your choice so that we have choices.

Let's use this list serve for what it was meant
 for,

Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:03:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy,

You took this off-list in your response to me. I am of course violating your privacy by putting it back on-list. But that's how I feel about it. 

I disagree with your comments about the list. My disagreements are so fundamental and so obvious, that all I can so is express my consternation and amazement at your assertions.

The point of this list is for individuals to inform each other, and discuss/debate important issues. For the most part, I've always liked it just fine. When I haven't, I've done other things.

If you have a response, please keep it on-list. Neither of our comments to each other have any meaning except in the context of this list and its readers.

David

From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 1:19:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

#yiv1579038119 p {margin:0;}

David,

My concerns stem from the creation of a large list serve for the benefit of many now being taken over by less than a handful of people.  What efforts are we doing to encourage new people to start their own discussion?  This group has simply created a platform for these folks to banter back and forth with each other.  I resent being given the option to leave the list and I am not sure why I should need to.  Is it because it is out of control?  Is it because we should just throw up our hands and say "boys will be boys"?  I know it cannot be because this is a free flowing exchange of opinions..it just isn't.  We cannot hide the large purple elephant in the room here.

I agree that is issue has reared its ugly head on more than one occasion and I think it is time to meet to discuss fully what is the purpose and intent of this list
 serve.

Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:44:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy, that's just ridiculous, and I resent it. This space is for those who have substantive comments, and for others to substantively disagree with those comments. You're offended by the content of some comments. You're welcome to say why that's the case. Please don't try to silence those that you don't agree with. If you're not interested in what some people have to say, then you can resign from the list, or only selectively open the messages from those that you tend to agree with.

David Green

From: "jgeo61 at comcast.net" <jgeo61 at comcast.net>
To: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Cc: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:51:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

#yiv1579038119 p {margin:0;}

Wayne,

All you want is to have a captured audience to listen to your pontifications.  Thanks to you this medium has turned into a private chat room instead of the public space that it was created for.  It is also evident that you do not read other e mails as they are asking you, more gently that I intend to, to change your venue.  Wayne, meet somewhere else, in person and chat to your hearts content; I could care less.  I am tired of being held captive by your tiny group of wannabees and I will express my views that you need to be contained.

Joy  

----- Original Message -----
From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "Brian Dolinar" <briandolinar at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:21:13
 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

Joy
Since the hindrance of free speech and discourse are important part
of the US government's strategy to stifle opposition to the war, I am
surprised that you are so interested in control on this list.

"I am expected to receive this trash in my inbox on a daily basis?"
Poor Baby.

We need more hooliganism and fewer schoolmarm-ism if we are to 
ever overthrow the war-mongering.

Wayne

On 10/23/2010 4:53 AM, jgeo61 at comcast.net wrote: 

#yiv1579038119 p {margin:0;}

What is this all about?  I am expected to receive this trash in my inbox on a daily basis?  My insight for the day is GET OFF THIS LISTSERVE!!  Take your PRIVATE foul mouthed chats SOMEWHERE ELSE!  I do not want to be an audience member any further to the lot of you hooligans.  

JOY GEORGE

----- Original Message -----
From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Cc: "Brian Dolinar" <briandolinar at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:58:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This list is for brief announcements only

[Someone writing as "Brian Dolinar, Ph.D." has an insightful political comment to make; 
it will undoubtedly add to the clarity of out joint considerations.  Viz., and to wit--]

On 10/22/10 8:53 AM, Brian Dolinar wrote:
> FUCK OFF!

> 

> BD

> 

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