[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: Local rep. right about war...
Mike Lehman
rebelmike at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 29 11:35:39 CDT 2011
Carl,
35 years of experience with the duplicitous Tim - always railing against
things he's in fact supported at various more politically convenient
times -- doesn't convince me he has much sincerity or commitment to his
new, now seemingly dovish position.
Mike Lehman
On 9/29/2011 10:37 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
> That's an astonishing statement, Mike. Here we spend ten years trying
> to convince the government to cease its criminal wars, and when a
> congressman - no better than he should be - comes around to the
> correct point view, we dismiss it...?
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mike Lehman wrote:
>
>> A stopped clock is right twice a day. That hardly rates a headline --
>> or a Subject line -- in my book.
>> Mike Lehman
>>
>> On 9/29/2011 10:06 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently similar in this regard to his potential Democratic
>>> opponents (whom he also resembles in talking nonsense about the
>>> deficit).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:56 AM, David Green wrote:
>>>
>>>> And also unwilling to consider the implications re Israel/Palestine.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* C. G. ESTABROOK <cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
>>>> *To:* peace-discuss at anti-war.net
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>>>> *Cc:* sf-core <sf-core at yahoogroups.com
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>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:51 AM
>>>> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] Local rep. right about war...
>>>>
>>>> [...but wrong about Social Security, Medicare, and the
>>>> deficit... --CGE]
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *Johnson stance on war draws support*
>>>> Wed, 09/28/2011 - 9:03pm | Tom Kacich
>>>> DECATUR -- About two years after he first called for the
>>>> withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. Rep.
>>>> Tim Johnson, R-Urbana, now appears to be gaining the support of
>>>> his constituents.
>>>> Speaking to about 100 people -- nearly all white and
>>>> conservative -- at the Decatur Public Library, Johnson received
>>>> a burst of applause Wednesday evening when he again called for
>>>> an end to U.S. military involvement in the Middle East.
>>>> Johnson also suggested gradually raising the retirement age to
>>>> strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and said he was
>>>> willing to look at revenue measures, not just budget cuts, to
>>>> reduce the federal deficit.
>>>> The six-term congressman criticized Democrats for not being
>>>> willing to make cuts in federal spending and hit Republicans
>>>> for supporting only "cuts in non-defense discretionary spending."
>>>> "That is not acceptable, ladies and gentlemen," said Johnson.
>>>> "I understand there are people in here who are going to
>>>> vehemently disagree with me and who believe that every war is a
>>>> good war. The reality is that by the time we will have
>>>> completed our quote-unquote mission -- and I don't know what
>>>> the mission is, ladies and gentlemen -- we will have spent
>>>> close to 4 trillion dollars in those wars.
>>>> "We cannot exclude defense from the cuts in dealing with our
>>>> national debt."
>>>> Johnson said he doesn't believe his constituents "are one iota
>>>> safer because we're losing thousands of American men and women,
>>>> and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>>>> and Libya and Iraq."
>>>> "I have consistently voted in appropriation after appropriation
>>>> and bill after bill to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and
>>>> Libya," he said. It was at that point and during other
>>>> statements about defense spending that Johnson received his
>>>> only sustained applause during the meeting.
>>>> "We can't afford it in our men and women's lives, we can't
>>>> afford it in our infrastructure, and we can't afford it
>>>> fiscally," he said of the wars.
>>>> Following the meeting, Johnson said he was surprised by the
>>>> response.
>>>> "But generally in the public and even among the conservative
>>>> base, people are starting to say, why are we here? Why are we
>>>> spending the money? Why are we allowing men and women to be
>>>> killed for a mission we cannot define? I think it's critical to
>>>> our economic and moral future that we get out tomorrow, and
>>>> that we don't engage in some new stupid war the next time. I'm
>>>> just quoting the president."
>>>> On other issues, Johnson said:
>>>> -- He thinks Social Security and Medicare can be strengthened
>>>> by gradually raising the retirement age.
>>>> "To prevent the system from going bankrupt, there have to be
>>>> modest changes for new workers in the system," he said. "For
>>>> people who are entering the system tweaking the age of
>>>> retirement, when it has stayed the same for decades, makes
>>>> economic sense. Relatively small changes in the retirement age
>>>> have a dramatic effect on the fiscal soundness of Social
>>>> Security. I'm not suggesting we move the age to 75, but moving
>>>> it to 67 1/2 over a phased-in period makes economic sense and
>>>> moral sense."
>>>> He also said he wouldn't rule out the need for higher
>>>> contributions into the system.
>>>> "I'm not ruling anything out but what I'm ruling in is the fact
>>>> that we have to make common-sense, fair changes to preserve the
>>>> safety net," he said. "If we don't do that there's going to be
>>>> no Social Security, no Medicare for the future."
>>>> -- He is not ruling out the need for revenue measures to cut
>>>> into the federal budget deficit.
>>>> "The revenue side of the equation has to be examined. There are
>>>> a number of tax loopholes that exist now, some tax breaks that
>>>> are being phased out that I support phasing out and others that
>>>> I don't. I think we need to look at the whole picture. I don't
>>>> think you can responsibly look at the debt crisis we face
>>>> without looking at every aspect of ways to solve it."
>>>> http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2011-09-28/johnson-stance-war-draws-support.html
>>>>
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