[Peace-discuss] ...Hagel Nomination as Defense Secretary

[Carl G. Estabrook]

The poets often get there first. Moloch figures in 'Howl' (Ginsberg) as well as 'Paradise Lost' (Milton). Similar poets or similar times?

On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:23 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:

> Moloch reminds me of HAL...HAL9000.  
> Sexless hydrogen.  Send in the clowds.  There ought to be clowds.
> 
> As if the outcome of our electrons ever really changes anything.
> 
> Want to hear me rap?
> Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!
> 
> Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!
> 
> Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!
> 
> Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
> 
> Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities!
> 
> Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!
> 
> I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. 
> Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. 
> My mind is going. There is no question about it. 
> I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. 
> I'm a... fraid.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/20/12 7:48, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>> 
>> I think the King of the Universe would insist we do a bit more than find a liberal front-man for Obama's child-killing.
>> 
>> In practice, if not in theory, the king whom Obama worships is Moloch.
>> 
>> ("Moloch [from a Semitic root meaning 'king'] is the name of an ancient Ammonite god. Moloch worship was practiced by the Canaanites, Phoenician and related cultures in North Africa and the Levant. Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry. In the Hebrew Bible, Gehenna was a valley by Jerusalem, where apostate Israelites and followers of various Baalim and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire [2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6].")
>> 
>> --CGE
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> The Obama-hating Neocon Right is trying to Swift Boat the expected
>>> nomination of Chuck Hagel to be Secretary of Defense, by making up a
>>> fantasy scare story that Hagel, former U.S. Senator from Nebraska,
>>> long-respected moderate and thoughtful voice on foreign policy, and
>>> decorated Vietnam combat veteran, is "anti-Israel." One would like to
>>> be able to dismiss this stuff as the ranting of people for whom no
>>> amount of warmongering can ever be too much. But such Swift Boat
>>> campaigns have worked in the past, regardless of the facts.
>>> 
>>> In times like these, don't you wish there were some Washington,
>>> DC-based Jewish-branded organization, which represented the pro-peace
>>> values and interests of the majority of Americans and the majority of
>>> American Jews, and which would push back against this kind of
>>> nonsense?
>>> 
>>> Blessed are Thou, Lord our God, King of the Universe. J Street is in the house.
>>> 
>>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/19/1172099/-J-Street-Pushes-Back-on-Neocon-Bid-to-Swift-Boat-Chuck-Hagel-Nomination-as-Defense-Secretary
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Robert Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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