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[Germaine Light]

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Germaine 

On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Astrid Berkson <astridjb at comcast.net> wrote:

> tim has decided to close out his congressional career as a libertarian because money follows ron paul and tim follows money. yes he has voted to withhold funding from the war; also from social services, healthcare, the environment, and funding all regulatory agencies. he has positioned himself with the naked capitalists. and he has signed the rove no tax pledge when it is clear that the country can't function under the bush tax levels
> On 7/30/2012 9:27 PM, Germaine Light wrote:
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>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Germaine 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:55 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net> wrote:
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>>> The last temptation is the greatest treason:
>>> To do the right deed for the wrong reason.
>>> 
>>> says the poet, and that may well be true for the state of one's soul.
>>> 
>>> But I'd rather have a majority of the Congress voting against a criminal war "for the wrong reason" 
>>> than a minority voting against it for the right reason... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Motive is important 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Germaine 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>>>>> What does his motive matter, if he's opposing a criminal war?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it better to support a criminal war - for what's imagined to be a good reason? ("We're                       bringing freedom to the Mideast...")
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which should you vote for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Johnson won' t support it b'c Obama is democrat.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> Germaine 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope that, if he becomes the Congressional representative of the 13th IL CD, David Gill will vote against Obama's widening war - from Central Asia to Central Africa - as forthrightly and consistently as Tim Johnson has. I'm not at all sure he will but would love to be proved wrong. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The child-killer in the White House has tried to make the war acceptable by lying that he's withdrawing. I think David will support that. Johnson doesn't.  --CGE  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ricky speaks TRUTH
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> Germaine 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Actually, as you recall, Carl, Tim Johnson was an enthusiastic cheerleader for the war when Bush was in office until he saw                                                           the handwriting on the wall. The fact that we helped him see it with the referendum                                                           votes against the war should not lessen the reality that Johnson changed out of self-interest. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Before the invasion of Iraq Johnson claimed at a public meeting here in town that he was privy to secret information that the rest of us could not know about, which justified his unapologetic support for war. After the invasion of Iraq he was asked about that information, and his response that we should not be "Monday                                                           morning quarterbacking" - a bad joke because our position was not after-the-fact but of course had been made clear through protests and letters, etc., well before the war. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> None of that swayed him, nor did any subsequent revelations about the Bush Administration's lies, Abu Ghraib, the dirty contracts, and so on. He was not swayed in the least by our constant criticism, either, it seems, but in the end by a clear demonstration that local voters                                                           overwhelmingly opposed the war - and perhaps by the impending end
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