[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
C. G. Estabrook
cge at shout.net
Tue Jul 31 03:23:40 UTC 2012
...Today [8 March 2012], Norquist lost another devotee, with Rep. Timothy Johnson (R-IL) saying that while he signed the pledge for his first election, he now considers Norquist’s stance “disingenuous and irresponsible“:
“I would never in a million years have considered this as some kind of a locked-in-granite pledge. Frankly, I didn’t even remember it. That shows you how obscure it was to me,” Johnson said.
“My understanding was then, as I remember it, and certainly now, is that nobody could possibly ever in a million years, in their wildest imagination, expect you to sign something that was right before a primary election and then you’d be locked in on that position the whole rest of your career. Particularly something like taxes and particularly when the national debt 10 and a half years ago was $6 trillion and now it’s going to be $17 trillion.”[...]
“Nobody could lock themselves in perpetuity into a position like that. That’s like saying you’d never vote for armed intervention in a foreign country, until we get attacked”…“I’m not saying I’m even committed now to a tax increase, but I think anybody who doesn’t indicate their willingness to look at revenues — expiration of tax loopholes, tax credits, increase in contribution to Social Security, which is a tax, and otherwise — would be disingenuous and irresponsible.“
--<http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/08/440397/gop-rep-blasts-norquist-irresponsible/?mobile=nc>
On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Astrid Berkson <astridjb at comcast.net> wrote:
> tim has decided to close out his congressional career as a libertarian because money follows ron paul and tim follows money. yes he has voted to withhold funding from the war; also from social services, healthcare, the environment, and funding all regulatory agencies. he has positioned himself with the naked capitalists. and he has signed the rove no tax pledge when it is clear that the country can't function under the bush tax levels
> On 7/30/2012 9:27 PM, Germaine Light wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Germaine
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:55 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The last temptation is the greatest treason:
>>> To do the right deed for the wrong reason.
>>>
>>> says the poet, and that may well be true for the state of one's soul.
>>>
>>> But I'd rather have a majority of the Congress voting against a criminal war "for the wrong reason"
>>> than a minority voting against it for the right reason...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Motive is important
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Germaine
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What does his motive matter, if he's opposing a criminal war?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it better to support a criminal war - for what's imagined to be a good reason? ("We're bringing freedom to the Mideast...")
>>>>>
>>>>> Which should you vote for?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Johnson won' t support it b'c Obama is democrat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> Germaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope that, if he becomes the Congressional representative of the 13th IL CD, David Gill will vote against Obama's widening war - from Central Asia to Central Africa - as forthrightly and consistently as Tim Johnson has. I'm not at all sure he will but would love to be proved wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The child-killer in the White House has tried to make the war acceptable by lying that he's withdrawing. I think David will support that. Johnson doesn't. --CGE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ricky speaks TRUTH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> Germaine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, as you recall, Carl, Tim Johnson was an enthusiastic cheerleader for the war when Bush was in office until he saw the handwriting on the wall. The fact that we helped him see it with the referendum votes against the war should not lessen the reality that Johnson changed out of self-interest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before the invasion of Iraq Johnson claimed at a public meeting here in town that he was privy to secret information that the rest of us could not know about, which justified his unapologetic support for war. After the invasion of Iraq he was asked about that information, and his response that we should not be "Monday morning quarterbacking" - a bad joke because our position was not after-the-fact but of course had been made clear through protests and letters, etc., well before the war.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> None of that swayed him, nor did any subsequent revelations about the Bush Administration's lies, Abu Ghraib, the dirty contracts, and so on. He was not swayed in the least by our constant criticism, either, it seems, but in the end by a clear demonstration that local voters overwhelmingly opposed the war - and perhaps by the impending end of Bush's second and last term of office the next year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ricky
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [cge at shout.net]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: David Johnson
>>>>>>>>> Cc: astridjb at comcast.net; Ricky Baldwin; sf-core; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; C-U Citzens for Peace and Justice; JWJ C-U
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sf-core] Re: [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's one of his publicity photos, David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is it the Obamanians say? "Oh, he's got to do that!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But will he vote against Obama's war plans, as Tim Johnson does?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will he vote against Obama's 'entitlement' cuts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope so. --CGE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/549668_2883010354197_858605138_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:54 PM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net<mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gill will be one of the few dems I will vote for in November ( the rest I will leave blank or vote third party ).
>>>>>>>>> The reason I will vote for Gill is because of his position supporting expanding medicare for all and his changed and improved position against the continued occupation of Afganistan and his refusal to accept corporate money.
>>>>>>>>> If the democratic party has any future it will need to have more candidates like David Gill.
>>>>>>>>> I hope he doesn't flip flop once he is elected, I have had that happen all too often in the past.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David J.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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