[Peace-discuss] a note on Holocaust denial
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Fri Nov 23 21:32:32 UTC 2012
Well said.
On 11/24/12 2:21, David Johnson wrote:
> " Spending 15 years studying Holocuast denial, JFK conspiracy theories
> & 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc. should be seen as a waste of time and
> a distraction by anyone who is serious about the real problems in the
> world. "
> *Norman Finkelstein has written extensively about this phenomena,
> that being " The Holocaust Industry ", that has not only made certain
> people money but has more importently, as you described David, been
> used to distract and justify the nazi like behaviour of the Israeli
> government.*
> **
> *In terms of the JFK assasination and the 9/11 attack FACTS, as
> opposed to theories or governmant cover-ups like the Bush appointed
> 9/11 commision and the Warren commission, I would respectfully disagree.*
> *Kennedy assasination, M.L. King assasination, Malcolm X assasination,
> and the 9/11 attack FACTS should be studied and discussed along with
> documented facts of : COINTELPRO, CIA sponsored coups and
> assasinations, rigged electons, false flag actions, etc..*
> *The importence is two fold ;*
> *1) To know what the U.S. government has done in the past on behalf of
> the 1 %, so that the American people will know and hence not believe
> the lies of weapons of mass destruction, etc.. to justify military
> actions and the abuse of civil liberties.*
> *2) When dealing with any group of criminals like the U.S, ruling
> class 1%, one must know their M.O., which will also allow the American
> people to know what to expect and hopefully how to prevent / deal with
> it in the future.*
> **
> *Of course since 9/11 2001 the ruling class and the corporate media
> has done an extensive propoganda campaign to convince many people in
> the U.S. that any accusation ( no matter how well documented )
> of collaboration / misdeeds by the wealthy and powerful is "
> conspiracy theory " and hence not true.*
> *As if the wealthy and the powerful don't coordinate actions or even
> talk to each other.*
> *I do agree David that one should not spend too much time dwelling on
> these sort of things, however* *to ignore the criminal history and
> past practices of the 1 % ruling class is at our own peril.*
> *David Johnson*
> **
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Green <mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2012 2:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] a note on Holocaust denial
>
> The denial that I'm worried about is, among many other things,
> regarding the willful and planned Israeli ethnic cleansing of the
> Palestinians, begun in earnest in 1947 and continuing at the
> present time. It's important, because it's widespread and
> politically consequential.
> The small cult of Holocaust denial has had to be exaggerated out
> of all proportion, partly in order to justify Israeli
> depredations, as well as to distract attention from ongoing
> American-sponsored atrocities around the world.
> Chomsky says that in the U.S., we have done the right thing by not
> suppressing Holocaust denial, as they have in some countries in
> Europe. Suppression and illegality only attracts more attention to
> the phenomenon. In the U.S., people are allowed to deny the
> Holocaust, they're recognized as lunatics, and nobody cares except
> a few individuals like Deborah Lipstadt who have made careers out
> of exaggerating the problem.
> Spending 15 years studying Holocuast denial, JFK conspiracy
> theories & 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc. should be seen as a
> waste of time and a distraction by anyone who is serious about the
> real problems in the world.
> But Holocaust denial has served well those who continue to deny
> what Israel has become--of course, only with the help of American
> support.
>
> *From:* David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
> *To:* peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2012 2:37 PM
> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] a note on Holocaust denial
>
> Folks, some thoughts on Holocaust denial, from someone who's
> studied it for fifteen years. It's going only to peace-discuss.
>
> I think some background would be helpful here.
>
> Holocaust denial is a conspiracy theory of neo-Nazi origins
> claiming that literally millions of Jews have secretly
> collaborated on a global fraud orders of magnitude larger and
> more complex than any James Bond villain could even dream of.
>
> Intellectually, it's on par with the folks who think that NASA
> and Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing. But on top of its
> idiocy, it adds a thick, wide, and inescapable layer of
> antisemitic wackdoodlism.
>
> Here's what I mean. The Watergate scandal involved under fifty
> conspirators, was protected by the most powerful man in the
> world, but it still rattled apart in just two years. The
> conspiracy theory that Holocaust deniers push requires not
> fifty Jews, not five hundred Jews, not five thousand Jews, not
> fifty thousand Jews, not five hundred thousand Jews, but five
> million Jews -- roughly a quarter of the world's Jewish
> population -- to stick impeccably to a criminal script
> flawlessly for over sixty years. As such, it ascribes to the
> Jews an inexplicable and inhuman capacity for criminality of
> the largest imaginable dimensions.
>
> What would you say to someone who tells you that one quarter
> of all people of Italian descent are active in the Cosa
> Nostra? You would rightly assail his idiocy, his paranoia, and
> his bigotry. Yet this is not that different from what
> Holocaust deniers claim about the world's Jews.
>
> It is like a burning cross. There is no dignified way to turn
> your eyes and pretend you didn't see it when it happens in
> your own town.
>
> If there is interest, I'd be happy to give a talk on the topic
> -- its neo-Nazi origins, and its attempt in the mid-2000's to
> repaint itself as "anti-Zionist" rather than "pro-Adolf" in
> order to try recruiting on the progressive left, while telling
> exactly the same lies. Few on the left have been fooled. But,
> as we have learned locally, few is not none.
>
> David @%<
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