[Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
David Johnson
dlj725 at microsoft.com
Thu Oct 18 03:47:34 UTC 2012
"Al Quaeda did not exist prior to the eviction of the Soviet Army from Afghanistan - so your history is a bit suspect too. "
Most of the members of both Al Quaeda and the Taliban WERE members of the mujahideen, and WERE trained, financed and armed by the CIA and began terrorist attacks against schools, clinics and agricultural projects operated by the Afganistan government in the late 1970's.
Below is one of MANY articles that documents this.
Thursday, October 18
How The CIA Helped Create Osama Bin Laden
May 2, 2011
50
By Casey Gane-McCalla
During in the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA's, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.
These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.
One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.
National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski visited Afganistan in 1979 and met with Bin Laden and even took a picture with him. Brzezinski would tell the mujahideen
We know of their deep belief in God, and we are confident their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours, you'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail, and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side.
The BBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya have all written that the CIA and U.S.A. funded and supported Bin Laden during the Afghan war.
Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:
Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.
Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the Russians.
After Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981, U.S. funding of the mujahideen increased significantly and CIA Paramilitary Officers played a big role in training, arming and sometimes even leading mujahideen forces.
The CIA trained the mujahideen in many of the tactics Al Qaeda is known for today, such as car bombs, assassinations and other acts that would be considered terrorism today.
The U.S.A. would fund Gulbuddin Hekmatyar a mujahideen leader and alleged heroin dealer who worked closely with Bin Laden. Hekmaytyar and his political party/paramilitary group would receive more than $600 million from the USA. Author, Alfred McCoy, would claim that the CIA supported Hekmatyar in his illicit heroin trade to allow him to fund the mujahideen.Like Bin Laden, Hekmatyar has also become an enemy of the U.S., waging a war against coalition forces in Afghanistan after 2001.
America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend, most often they become our enemies too. As America gives aid to rebels in Libya and other countries we must be cautious not to create another Bin Laden.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Roger Helbig ; Peace-discuss
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
First I've heard about yr Rokke bio, or yr seeking info about him. Good luck w/ that.
--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 10:26 PM
Because it is in Champaign-Urbana and I was looking for people who know Douglas Lind Rokke in Rantoul. Rokke is a con artist who has been playing a role he created about 1999 and he has been spreading lies about depleted uranium and his own military and academic experiences. I was not referring to you, but to David Johnson. I only copied you because you actually were kind enough to suggest that Johnson's addressing me through the list was not really appropriate. Thanks for that.
What amazes me about many alleged "peace activists" is that they have been so taken in by lies just because they want to believe the worst about their own country. I personally believe you never fight lies with bigger lies, but Johnson appears to believe the exact opposite,
Roger
PS - have you ever met or listened to Rokke? If so, I am his unofficial biographer. He lied about me so I found out the truth about him.
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Uh... if you meant ME, there's only one "n" in my first name (blame my parents). However, I'm guessing that the only thing we have in common is unusual name spelling. Why did you join this list??
--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: dlj725 at microsoft.com
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 3:17 AM
Mr Johnson, the next time you decide to call me out in the subject line, then I suggest you spell my name correctly - there is no R in the last name - Hell is a big place to hold all the sinners and there is only one L in my last name - got it.
Al Quaeda did not exist prior to the eviction of the Soviet Army from Afghanistan - so your history is a bit suspect too.
Thanks, Jennifer.
Roger Helbig
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
David Johnson,
This belongs on Peace-discuss, NOT on Peace. If you respect the lists, those on the list will be more likely to respect you.
--Jenifer
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com>
Subject: [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
To: "Peace C-U Discussion" <peace at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 5:08 PM
Lets not forget that the CIA helped to create, finance, arm, train and encourage Al Queda and the Taliban against the populist left-wing government of Afganistan during the late 1970's and most of the 1980's. Lets also not forget the right-wing fanatical Jewish settlers who violently attack unarmed Palestinian civilians including women, old people and children, ALL financed from OUR tax dollars via the corporate controlled U.S. Government, in order to steal their land.
Hebrig is trying to imply from his last post that the U.S. military occupation of Afganistan and yes Iraq ( 100,000 private mercenaries, 50,000 U.S. troops in 12 U.S. military bases and an embassy larger than the Vatican ) is for humanitarian and democracy reasons. Democracy and human rights has NEVER been a priority of the U.S. government since the end of World War II. Its all about corporate control of low wages and cheap natural resources that exclusively benefits the 1 %, at the expense of the rest of us, THE WORKING CLASS !
And yes Hebrig, rather you are in denial or not, YOU are also Working Class !
David Johnson
Friday, October 12, 2012
Religious fundamentalists try to murder girl for seeking education.
The religious fundamentalists the Taliban have tried to murder 14 year old school girl Malala Yousafzai because she spoke out to say she wanted to be a doctor. This is an act of the most extreme and savage barbarity that must be unconditionally condemned by all. The US press is full of indignation about this event. However we need to keep in mind a few things. When it suited them one US government after another worked with the Taliban to try and achieve its aims in Afghanistan and Central Asia, these aims were to hem in Russia and China.
We also have to remember that Saudi Arabia is the most important ally of the US in the Middle East after Israel. And here is what the New York Times has to say about this extreme fundamentalist regime, the friend of the Bush family, the US oil industry and US capitalism. In an article by Nicholas D Kristof in the New York Times October 11th, he wrote: "One of my greatest frustrations when I travel to Pakistan is that I routinely spot extremest madrases, or schools, financed by medieval misogynists from Saudi Arabia or elsewhere. They provide meals, free tuition and sometimes scholarships to lure boys - because their donors understand perfectly that education shapes countries." So these allies and friends of the US capitalist class are financing the very outfits and pushing the very ideas that nurture the Taliban and end up killing young girls.
Like the fundamentalist religious nut cases everywhere, whether in the Islamic world, or the Jewish world or the Christian world, these ideas and people are a threat to a civilized society and especially to women.
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