[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's Market andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigsqq.org
Sun Sep 2 22:56:01 UTC 2012
Actually those who favour and rely upon the teat of big government are
part of the reason
that the wars continue.
On 9/3/2012 3:33 AM, Germaine Light wrote:
> Maybe so, Chris, but I sure wouldn't vote for, or campaign for, or
> even hope that that shallow, rich, cold conservative machine gets in
> office. Too risky, too much to lose. After 8 years of that
> conservative Bush dung & recent actions of right wing governors, I
> cannot face another 4 years or more. We lost so much, and not all of
> that damage has been repaired, & some conservative governors have done
> perhaps irreparable damage. Meanwhile people have suffered in loss of
> freedom, wage losses, decrease in union power, loss of rights to
> organize, to strike, payroll deduction of union dues. No it is not
> worth the risk of whatever comes next to hope that a conservative win
> results in a better Spring. It might just backfire & we end up with
> something more akin to fascism, more than we already have. NO! I am
> not willing to take that risk!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Germaine Light
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com
> <mailto:c_goodrow at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, is Obama more likely to feel pressure now before the
>> election or after he's won and isn't too concerned about pleasing
>> anyone. Let's remember, the "shellacking" he got in 2010 wasn't due
>> to a mandate, but rather so many people who came out in droves in
>> 2008 just stayed home. Perhaps we didn't get an American spring
>> because too many people are concerned about the elections and how it
>> would reflect on Obama.
>>
>> If Romney gets elected, there is a good chance it has to do with the
>> job Obama has done or not done. Maybe with a Romney presidency,
>> things will get worse faster and people may just start paying
>> attention and get out on the streets without having to worry about
>> who is in office.
>>
>> Chris
>> (217) 898-5039
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:09, "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net
>> <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's NOT ass backwards at all !
>>> For the simple fact that the Dems are in power of the Presidency
>>> which controls the Injustice Department, who are the one's
>>> persecuting the whistle blowers.
>>> David J.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Jenifer Cartwright <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>> *To:* C. G. Estabrook <mailto:cge at shout.net> ; Gregg Gordon
>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>>> *Cc:* Peace Discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net> ; ocCUpy
>>> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net> ; Peace
>>> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:36 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>> Market andDemonstration on Saturday;and, another on Sept. 6th
>>> for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?
>>>
>>> Sorry, clarifying my position:
>>> Yes, continue war/drone protests as usual -- both candidates are
>>> on record for those
>>> Defer whistle-blower protests until after the election --
>>> nothing from the Romney camp re these (surely same as- or worse
>>> than Dems), plus there were no protests at Repub convention for
>>> those. Already expecting huge protests at Dem Conven compared w/
>>> Repubs. ass-backwards thinking, imho.
>>> --- On *Sat, 9/1/12, Gregg Gordon /<ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>> Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>> 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
>>> Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>, "Peace Discuss"
>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>, "ocCUpy"
>>> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>, "Peace"
>>> <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>> Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:15 PM
>>>
>>> So how many Americans died in Iraq this week? And how's the
>>> missile shield in eastern Europe coming (to cite just two
>>> significant differences with the Bush Administration)?
>>>
>>> Look -- I'm not saying give anyone a pass on anything. I'm
>>> saying make your point strategically and intelligently.
>>> It's likely to improve your effectiveness.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I don't think there's anything a handful of people
>>> in C-U are going to do in the next two months that will make
>>> an iota's difference to the outcome of the election /or/ the
>>> future of Bradley Manning. I would guess 95% of the people
>>> who drive by any such demonstration will have no idea who
>>> Bradley Manning is, and there's nothing you can put on a
>>> placard that will inform them. It won't even be covered by
>>> the local newspaper. So in that respect, I don't care, but
>>> the larger point is worth considering. Do we do these
>>> things to fulfill a sense of righteous indignation, or are
>>> we trying to have an impact on future events?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
>>> *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>> *Cc:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>; Peace Discuss
>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>; ocCUpy
>>> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace
>>> <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>> Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>> 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>>
>>> It's important to assess how important the difference it
>>> makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.
>>> Obama - although he campaigned against them - followed
>>> Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal
>>> and efficient fashion.
>>>
>>> That may be some slight reason to vote against him, but it's
>>> certainly not a reason to support him.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon
>>> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=ggregg79 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the
>>>> years 2000-2008 really believes "it makes no difference."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net
>>>> </mc/compose?to=cge at shout.net>>
>>>> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>>> </mc/compose?to=jencart13 at yahoo.com>>
>>>> *Cc:* Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>> </mc/compose?to=peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>; ocCUpy
>>>> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>> </mc/compose?to=occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace
>>>> <peace at anti-war.net </mc/compose?to=peace at anti-war.net>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>>> Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>>> 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>>>
>>>> I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning
>>>> and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the
>>>> suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and
>>>> others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) who
>>>
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