[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's Market andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigsqq.org
Sun Sep 2 22:56:01 UTC 2012


Actually those who favour and rely upon the teat of big government are 
part of the reason
that the wars continue.

On 9/3/2012 3:33 AM, Germaine Light wrote:
> Maybe so, Chris, but I sure wouldn't vote for, or campaign for, or 
> even hope that that shallow, rich, cold conservative machine gets in 
> office.   Too risky, too much to lose.   After 8 years of that 
> conservative Bush dung & recent actions of right wing governors, I 
> cannot face another 4 years or more.  We lost so much, and not all of 
> that damage has been repaired, & some conservative governors have done 
> perhaps irreparable damage.  Meanwhile people have suffered in loss of 
> freedom, wage losses, decrease in union power, loss of rights to 
> organize, to strike, payroll deduction of union dues. No it is not 
> worth the risk of whatever comes next to hope that a conservative win 
> results in a better Spring.  It might just backfire & we end up with 
> something more akin to fascism, more than we already have.  NO!  I am 
> not willing to take that risk!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Germaine Light
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:c_goodrow at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, is Obama more likely to feel pressure now before the 
>> election or after he's won and isn't too concerned about pleasing 
>> anyone. Let's remember, the "shellacking" he got in 2010 wasn't due 
>> to a mandate, but rather so many people who came out in droves in 
>> 2008 just stayed home. Perhaps we didn't get an American spring 
>> because too many people are concerned about the elections and how it 
>> would reflect on Obama.
>>
>> If Romney gets elected, there is a good chance it has to do with the 
>> job Obama has done or not done. Maybe with a Romney presidency, 
>> things will get worse faster and people may just start paying 
>> attention and get out on the streets without having to worry about 
>> who is in office.
>>
>> Chris
>> (217) 898-5039
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:09, "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net 
>> <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's NOT ass backwards at all !
>>> For the simple fact that the Dems are in power of the Presidency 
>>> which controls the Injustice Department, who are the one's 
>>> persecuting the whistle blowers.
>>> David J.
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     *From:* Jenifer Cartwright <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>>     *To:* C. G. Estabrook <mailto:cge at shout.net> ; Gregg Gordon
>>>     <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>>>     *Cc:* Peace Discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net> ; ocCUpy
>>>     <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net> ; Peace
>>>     <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>>>     *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:36 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>>     Market andDemonstration on Saturday;and, another on Sept. 6th
>>>     for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?
>>>
>>>     Sorry, clarifying my position:
>>>     Yes, continue war/drone protests as usual -- both candidates are
>>>     on record for those
>>>     Defer whistle-blower protests until after the election --
>>>     nothing from the Romney camp re these (surely same as- or worse
>>>     than Dems), plus there were no protests at Repub convention for
>>>     those. Already expecting huge protests at Dem Conven compared w/
>>>     Repubs. ass-backwards thinking, imho.
>>>     --- On *Sat, 9/1/12, Gregg Gordon /<ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>>     <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         From: Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>>         <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>>         Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>>         6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>>         To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
>>>         Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>>         <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>, "Peace Discuss"
>>>         <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>         <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>, "ocCUpy"
>>>         <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>         <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>, "Peace"
>>>         <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>>         Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:15 PM
>>>
>>>         So how many Americans died in Iraq this week?  And how's the
>>>         missile shield in eastern Europe coming (to cite just two
>>>         significant differences with the Bush Administration)?
>>>
>>>         Look -- I'm not saying give anyone a pass on anything.  I'm
>>>         saying make your point strategically and intelligently.
>>>          It's likely to improve your effectiveness.
>>>
>>>         Frankly, I don't think there's anything a handful of people
>>>         in C-U are going to do in the next two months that will make
>>>         an iota's difference to the outcome of the election /or/ the
>>>         future of Bradley Manning.  I would guess 95% of the people
>>>         who drive by any such demonstration will have no idea who
>>>         Bradley Manning is, and there's nothing you can put on a
>>>         placard that will inform them.  It won't even be covered by
>>>         the local newspaper.  So in that respect, I don't care, but
>>>         the larger point is worth considering.  Do we do these
>>>         things to fulfill a sense of righteous indignation, or are
>>>         we trying to have an impact on future events?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
>>>         *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
>>>         <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>>         *Cc:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>>         <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>; Peace Discuss
>>>         <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>         <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>; ocCUpy
>>>         <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>         <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace
>>>         <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>>         *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>>         Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>>         6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>>
>>>         It's important to assess how important the difference it
>>>         makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.
>>>         Obama - although he campaigned against them - followed
>>>         Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal
>>>         and efficient fashion.
>>>
>>>         That may be some slight reason to vote against him, but it's
>>>         certainly not a reason to support him.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon
>>>         <ggregg79 at yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=ggregg79 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>         I find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the
>>>>         years 2000-2008 really believes "it makes no difference."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>         *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net
>>>>         </mc/compose?to=cge at shout.net>>
>>>>         *To:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
>>>>         </mc/compose?to=jencart13 at yahoo.com>>
>>>>         *Cc:* Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>>         </mc/compose?to=peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>; ocCUpy
>>>>         <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>>         </mc/compose?to=occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace
>>>>         <peace at anti-war.net </mc/compose?to=peace at anti-war.net>>
>>>>         *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM
>>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's
>>>>         Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept.
>>>>         6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>>>
>>>>         I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning
>>>>         and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the
>>>>         suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and
>>>>         others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) who
>>>
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