[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's Market andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Sep 3 00:48:01 UTC 2012
A small federal government cannot engage in imperialistic military activity.
A review of history advises us that powerful governments always engage
in imperialism.
(Please provide two good examples of powerful governments that did not.)
Under the guise of providing for the general welfare, the central
government has grown way
out of its reasonable boundaries and has insinuated and infiltrated
itself into every aspect of life in Amerika.
It has also convinced a sizable portion of the population that "life
support" is totally dependent
upon the central government, and further that the cybernetic control
system that the federal government
has established, and is establishing, is infallible as well as
essential, and beneficent, too.
A HAL9000 has never made a mistake.
By definition, the federal government is incapable of error, since the
definition of error is a function
of the federal government.
We control the horizontal and the vertical.
There is no limit to what we can do,
and no limit to what we will
do to you if you resist.
Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.
There is nothing that the average guy can do about it. "HAL" is
defending itself by unrestrained violent action
against the people. This will not only continue, but it will become
more and more severe and more and more
overt and more and more "good". It is good to kill those who threaten
the system.
As people become progressively lazy and dependent upon the system they
are unwilling to see the demise
of the system that is pleasuring them. It's something like demonic
possession actually. The demon is allowed
to stay because it is providing some perceived benefit. The enthralled
one will not always rise up and voluntarily
cast out the demon, because the demon has control of the pain and
pleasure centers. It's going to hurt to
extract the demon, and it will rip the flesh mercilessly on its way out,
and further leave the previously controlled one to
stand up on his own 2 feet. A terrifying prospect is this thing
personal responsibility.
Some people wont survive a transition to personal responsibility and
will die. The demon is advising them
of this.
The US federal government is a bloodsucking parasite that is sapping the
life out of the people. Where parasitism is
heavy, the host is apt to die if the parasites are dispatched. I have
seen horses and dogs with heavy parasite infections
of the intestine actually die as the result of de-worming. All the
places where the blood-suckers were attached
are now small raw spot. As mony a mickle makes a muckle, if there are
enough raw spots coalescing, the host
will be in some deep trouble.
As long as people accept the Idea (the damnable Lie) that the federal
government is a force for good, and as
long as the people are willing to pay tribute to the federal government,
the wars will continue unabated
until the federal government finally chokes on its own waste and vomit
and dies a ugly painful death in
thrashing agony.
Much better that the people withdraw their support as soon as possible,
and reject the lie that the
federal government is essential for life. Although the war is
perpetual, the war machine is not a
perpetual motion machine. Deprived of its means of making war (a supply
of money),
the war machine will stop its motion.
i am frightened, dave...
daisy...daisy...
On 9/3/2012 7:25 AM, Chris Goodrow wrote:
> Would you mind elaborating on that assertion, please?
>
> Chris Goodrow
> (217) 898-5039
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:56:01 +0800
> From: ewj at pigsqq.org
> To: lightport at sbcglobal.net
> CC: c_goodrow at hotmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;
> occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [Peace] Farmer's Market
> andDemonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley
> Manning on eve of Obama'sspeech?
>
> Actually those who favour and rely upon the teat of big government are
> part of the reason
> that the wars continue.
>
> On 9/3/2012 3:33 AM, Germaine Light wrote:
>
> Maybe so, Chris, but I sure wouldn't vote for, or campaign for, or
> even hope that that shallow, rich, cold conservative machine gets
> in office. Too risky, too much to lose. After 8 years of that
> conservative Bush dung & recent actions of right wing governors, I
> cannot face another 4 years or more. We lost so much, and not all
> of that damage has been repaired, & some conservative governors
> have done perhaps irreparable damage. Meanwhile people have
> suffered in loss of freedom, wage losses, decrease in union power,
> loss of rights to organize, to strike, payroll deduction of union
> dues. No it is not worth the risk of whatever comes next to hope
> that a conservative win results in a better Spring. It might just
> backfire & we end up with something more akin to fascism, more
> than we already have. NO! I am not willing to take that risk!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Germaine Light
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com
> <mailto:c_goodrow at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Furthermore, is Obama more likely to feel pressure now before
> the election or after he's won and isn't too concerned about
> pleasing anyone. Let's remember, the "shellacking" he got in
> 2010 wasn't due to a mandate, but rather so many people who
> came out in droves in 2008 just stayed home. Perhaps we didn't
> get an American spring because too many people are concerned
> about the elections and how it would reflect on Obama.
>
> If Romney gets elected, there is a good chance it has to do
> with the job Obama has done or not done. Maybe with a Romney
> presidency, things will get worse faster and people may just
> start paying attention and get out on the streets without
> having to worry about who is in office.
>
> Chris
> (217) 898-5039
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:09, "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net
> <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>
> It's NOT ass backwards at all !
> For the simple fact that the Dems are in power of the
> Presidency which controls the Injustice Department, who
> are the one's persecuting the whistle blowers.
> David J.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jenifer Cartwright <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* C. G. Estabrook <mailto:cge at shout.net> ; Gregg
> Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Peace Discuss
> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net> ; ocCUpy
> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net> ; Peace
> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss]
> Farmer's Market andDemonstration on Saturday;and,
> another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of
> Obama'sspeech?
>
> Sorry, clarifying my position:
> Yes, continue war/drone protests as usual -- both
> candidates are on record for those
> Defer whistle-blower protests until after the election
> -- nothing from the Romney camp re these (surely same
> as- or worse than Dems), plus there were no protests
> at Repub convention for those. Already expecting huge
> protests at Dem Conven compared w/ Repubs.
> ass-backwards thinking, imho.
> --- On *Sat, 9/1/12, Gregg Gordon /<ggregg79 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss]
> Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday;
> and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on
> eve of Obama's speech?
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net
> <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
> Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>, "Peace Discuss"
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>, "ocCUpy"
> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>, "Peace"
> <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
> Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:15 PM
>
> So how many Americans died in Iraq this week? And
> how's the missile shield in eastern Europe coming
> (to cite just two significant differences with the
> Bush Administration)?
>
> Look -- I'm not saying give anyone a pass on
> anything. I'm saying make your point
> strategically and intelligently. It's likely to
> improve your effectiveness.
>
> Frankly, I don't think there's anything a handful
> of people in C-U are going to do in the next two
> months that will make an iota's difference to the
> outcome of the election /or/ the future of Bradley
> Manning. I would guess 95% of the people who
> drive by any such demonstration will have no idea
> who Bradley Manning is, and there's nothing you
> can put on a placard that will inform them. It
> won't even be covered by the local newspaper. So
> in that respect, I don't care, but the larger
> point is worth considering. Do we do these things
> to fulfill a sense of righteous indignation, or
> are we trying to have an impact on future events?
>
>
>
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> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net
> <mailto:cge at shout.net>>
> *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>>; Peace Discuss
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>; ocCUpy
> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>; Peace
> <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss]
> Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday;
> and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on
> eve of Obama's speech?
>
> It's important to assess how important the
> difference it makes is. The answer seems to be,
> not much.
> Obama - although he campaigned against them -
> followed Bush's economic and military polices, if
> in a more brutal and efficient fashion.
>
> That may be some slight reason to vote against
> him, but it's certainly not a reason to support him.
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon
> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com
> <http:///mc/compose?to=ggregg79%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived
> through the years 2000-2008 really believes
> "it makes no difference."
>
>
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> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net
> <http:///mc/compose?to=cge%40shout.net>>
> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com
> <http:///mc/compose?to=jencart13%40yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* Peace Discuss
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> <http:///mc/compose?to=peace-discuss%40anti-war.net>>;
> ocCUpy <occupycu at lists.chambana.net
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> Peace <peace at anti-war.net
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> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU]
> [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
> Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on
> Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of
> Obama's speech?
>
> I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on
> Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his
> crimes - from the suppression of WikiLeaks to
> the murders of Americans and others - for
> ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) who
>
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