[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day

Gregg Gordon ggregg79 at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 29 01:15:57 UTC 2013


Thank you.  I forgot plague.  Also Harpies.  And Les Mouches.


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 From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
To: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  AWARE flyer for Quad Day
 


 
WOW !
 
How interesting that your outburst of hate 
was a result of me asking you if you are involved in the 
community !
 
 
:" I've been to your meetings."
 
Which meetings are you talking about 
?
 
  " I've seen your tv show.  Alex Jones without the 
entertainment "
 
Alex Jones ??  How 
interesting.
What would you say that Alex Jones and I have in 
common as far as program content ?
I would be REALLY curious to 
know.
 
" Am I now or have I ever been a communist? "
 
I don't know, are you ?
Or are you implying ( again ) that I am a 
Communist instead of a racist....
Make up your mind !
The answer is no, but I have been called 
worse. 
 
"You're a virus.  You're cancer.  You're death to anything you've 
ever been involved with.  If you think I would expose my friends to that, 
add insane to virus
and cancer ".

Is that the best ( worse ) you can say about me 
?
Again nothing specific from 
you.

"Man, 
you so missed your chance at civility.  You want respect?  You're a 
loose tooth.  You're a canker sore.  You're a barnacle, but not so 
easily gotten rid of.  You're dog shit on my shoe."
 
In general, it seems I hit some nerve that set you 
off.
As I stated in my last e-mail, I ( nor anyone else on this list ) ; 
cursed you ar disrespected you. 
If you think I was not being civil just becasue i disagreed with you 
about something, I truely don't know what to tell you, except that 
sometimes the truth hurts.
But you shouldn't feel that way...the truth can set you 
free.
 
Obviously there is more to this than the initial e-mail exchange on 
peace discuss.
And funny how I have never seen you post to Peace Discuss prior, nor 
have I ever heard of you before, and except for a few encounters with C-U 
 Occupy , nobody I know who is involved in the community in regards to 
social activism has ever heard of you.
So what type of editing and writting do you do 
?
Where do you work ?
Are you originally from Bloomington Indiana or did you just go to 
school there ?
 
David Johnson
aka. The Plague
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Gregg Gordon 
>To: David Johnson ; Peace-discuss 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:16  PM
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  AWARE flyer for Quad Day
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>"Respectfully"  Really?  Who am I talking to?    A 3-year-old?  No, I've known 3-year-olds.  They're more  convincing.
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>Are  you insincere, or just obtuse?  You tell me.  The only thing more  transparent than your insincerity is your ineffectiveness.  I've been to  your meetings.  My one word description -- LONELY.  I've seen your  tv show.  Alex Jones without the entertainment.  My God, you're a  joke.  Am I now or have I ever been a communist?  Are you  serious?  Why would I tell you?  You're a virus.  You're  cancer.  You're death to anything you've ever been involved with.   If you think I would expose my friends to that, add insane to virus and  cancer.
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>Man,  you so missed your chance at civility.  You want respect?  You're a  loose tooth.  You're a canker sore.  You're a barnacle, but not so  easily gotten rid of.  You're dog shit on my shoe.
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>I'm  out of your sandbox now.  It's all yours.
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>________________________________
> From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
>To: Peace-discuss  <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon  <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:05  PM
>Subject: Re:  [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
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>Calm down Greg,
> 
>I could say something smart ass like 
>" your not my type ",
> but seriously, I was just curious to  see if you are involved in the community or not .
> 
>No need to be so paranoid just becasue we may  disagree on something.
> 
>David Johnson
> 
> 
> 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Gregg Gordon 
>>To: David Johnson ; Peace-discuss 
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:27  PM
>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  AWARE flyer for Quad Day
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>>Why?   Do you want to stalk me?
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>>________________________________
>> From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
>>To: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;  Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
>>Sent: Wednesday, August  28, 2013 10:33 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
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>>Well Greg,
>> 
>>I am truely sorry that you feel that  way.
>> 
>>Discussion / debate are at times necessary for  understanding.
>> 
>>No one threatened you or cursed at you or  disrespected you, so I am not certain what you mean when you stated that "  Its' impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace  .."
>> 
>>Some of us stated our views and wanted  clarification of some of your statements, so I really do not understand  why you feel the way you do.
>> 
>>What organizations are you involved with locally  ?
>> 
>>Respectfully
>> 
>>David Johnson
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Gregg Gordon 
>>>To: Carl G. Estabrook ; Brussel, Morton K 
>>>Cc: Peace-discuss 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:54  AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>>>
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>>>Well,  I see it's impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace, even on  Peace-discuss.  That's a shame.  It's not just the unnecessary  and uncalled for hostility, unpleasant but manageable.  But you won't  even argue with me.  You put words in my mouth that I never said, and  then you argue with that.  That's pointless.
>>>
>>>But you've made 
      your points, and you've made mine as well.  When you might have 
      convinced me, instead you alienated me. I don't know in what school of 
      activism you learned that tactic, but I question its effectiveness.  
      All you succeeded in doing is in making me marvel at the lack of mental 
      discipline required to obtain a Ph.D.
>>>
>>>As to the other questions 
      hanging out there, there are any number of websites you can go to -- 
      freerepublic.com, redstate.com.  I find the stuff too sickening to 
      quote myself, but you'll see that you fit right in.  And yes, I do 
      belong to some groups here.  I would probably belong to yours, if 
      only you weren't in it.
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook  <galliher at illinois.edu>
>>>To: "Brussel, Morton K"  <brussel at illinois.edu> 
>>>Cc: Gregg Gordon  <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>; Peace-discuss  <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:47  PM
>>>Subject: Re:  [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>>>
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>>>I've thought for a while that the fall-back position of American  liberalism, as it surrendered to the neoliberal onslaught, was a sort of  hysterical anti-racism.
>>>
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>>>
>>>Walter Benn Michaels argued for something like that in his "The  Trouble with Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore  Inequality" (2005).
>>>
>>>
>>>He refined the argument in subsequent articles. "...Well, I wrote the  book four or five years ago and I know more about it now than I did then.  So yeah, that’s true, the book is in a certain sense a response to what  seemed to me very visible on the surface, but I had much less of a  sense of how that situation came about. One of the things that’s been  useful—I know it’s been useful for me, but I think it’s actually be useful  in general for at least some people on the Left in thinking about  these issues—has been the popularization of the concept of neoliberalism,  which has given us a better ability to periodize the history of capitalism  and especially of events since World War II." - [See more at: <http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/#sthash.ArGHlaip.dpuf>]
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>>>Mr. Gordon is not untypical.  --CGE
>>>
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>>>On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>  wrote:
>>>
>>>From someone who is on this anti-war,  anti-imperialist list, this argument is sick!! I.e., that one should not  slam the current despicable president because he is black (somewhat). 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--mkb
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>>>>On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead to  a meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as Lincoln said, "We  must use the tools we have."  At least it allows me to be  brief.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No,  I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply that.  My  purpose was not to discuss Obama's policies, foreign or domestic, or  what constitutional amendments our (in other contexts) racist Founding  Fathers left us he may or may not have violated.  That's another  discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>But in your own ways, you illustrate my point perfectly.   Because I also read right-wing blogs, just to try to figure out how  they think, and take my word, they're some pretty vicious  racists.  And I find the tone and even the language you two have  employed here indistinguishable from what I find there.  I find  that amazing.  And to the extent those blogs remind me of nothing  so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than amazing.  I find it  appalling.  I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but for an  anti-racism group, that seems to be taking it too far.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Cornell  West notwithstanding, most of the black people I know like Obama and  are proud that he is president, and black turnout in the most recent  election tells me my friends are not outliers.  It seems to me an  anti-racism effort would be wise to take that into account.   That's the only thing I wanted to discuss.
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>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;  Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday,  August 27, 2013 3:13 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]  [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Gee Greg,
>>>>> 
>>>>>I hope your not trying to imply that  becasue Obama is African American that he should be given a blank  check to commit war crimes and impoverish Working Americans,  especially African American Workers ?
>>>>> 
>>>>>This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class  of this country hoped for when they recruited and helped get Obama  elected.
>>>>> 
>>>>>Frankly, while we are on the subject,  some of the harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and Black  Agenda Report.
>>>>>Not to mention that if you research  Obama's REAL history, you will see that he has NO common experience  with the average African American in the U.S.. or for that matter any  Working American.
>>>>> 
>>>>>David Johnson
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>From: Gregg  Gordon 
>>>>>>To: Brussel, Morton K ; Estabrook, Carl G 
>>>>>>Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net  List 
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013  12:38 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]  [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with this,  but I've been wondering for a long time and all the March on  Washington stuff this weekend brought it back to mind.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Why  does an organization whose purpose is to fight racism so often speak  with such hostility toward our first black president?  It's  obviously counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not be  counterproductive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gregg  Gordon
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> From: "Brussel, Morton K"  <brussel at illinois.edu>
>>>>>>To: "Estabrook, Carl G" <galliher at illinois.edu> 
>>>>>>Cc: "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;  "peace at anti-war.net" <peace at anti-war.net> 
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday,  August 25, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Peace]  [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>I would add that this administration is now specifically  threatening, and waging covert activities against, Iran and Syria,  two countries of no threat to the U.S., but who are seen by this  administration as a threat to "our national interests", that of  corporate America and its clients.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--kb
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>But in any case a useful statement. 
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[The flyer is attached. Comments  are welcome. The text is as follows.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Anti-War 
              Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana (AWARE)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AWARE was 
              founded immediately after the attacks of September 11, 2001, by 
              residents of Champaign-Urbana and members of the University of 
              Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government would use those crimes 
              as an excuse to carry on and expand its wars for the control of 
              Middle East energy resources. For a dozen years members and 
              friends of AWARE have worked to end the killing by informing their 
              fellow citizens of the real nature of the "war on terrorism," in 
              opposition to the largest and most sophisticated propaganda 
              campaign in history, conducted by the Bush and Obama 
              administrations, and directed at the American people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Today 
              the U.S. government is threatening, invading, and occupying 
              countries in a vast circle with a 2500-mile radius around the 
              Persian Gulf, from north Africa to the borders of India and China, 
              a region sometimes called the "Greater Middle East." (The U.S. 
              military calls it "Central Command.") This region has the world's 
              greatest concentration of oil and natural gas, and our government 
              is spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month after month, to 
              control it. Control and not just access to these energy resources 
              is what our government demands. We in fact import little of our 
              own oil supplies from the Mideast - most of our imported oil comes 
              from the western hemisphere, notably Canada and Venezuela - but 
              control of world energy supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled 
              advantage over our economic rivals in Europe and 
              Asia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>President Obama is killing men, women, and children 
              around the world to "fight terrorism," he claims, but as Noam 
              Chomsky explains, “The Obama administration is dedicated to 
              increasing terrorism ... it’s doing it all over the world. Obama 
              ... is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists ... The 
              drone assassination campaigns ... are just part of it; special 
              forces operations and so on, all of these operations, they are 
              terror operations.” The U.S. Special Operations Command - in fact 
              a 25,000-member private army run by the president - are American 
              death squads, who by their own account are operating in more than 
              a hundred countries around the world. No wonder we are hated in 
              those countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you object to the Obama 
              administration's conducting illegal and unjustified war - and 
              lying about the reasons for it - join us. AWARE meets every Sunday 
              evening 5-6pm at the White Horse Inn on in Champaign, near the 
              UIUC campus. We discuss the war and plan activities like the 
              following:
>>>>>>>~ Street demonstrations. For more than a decade 
              AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed information 
              about the war; they now occur on the first Saturday of every 
              month, 2-4pm, at Main and Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All 
              are welcome to join us.
>>>>>>>~ Information tables. At the Urbana 
              Farmers' Market and other public events, like the Sweet Corn 
              Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has tables with free 
              printed information on the war and books, t-shirts, buttons and 
              bumper stickers at cost.
>>>>>>>~ Television programs. AWARE produces 
              a weekly hour of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen 
              Tuesdays at 10pm on Urbana Public Television  <http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/>. The  program is recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays in the UPTV  studios. Members and friends of AWARE are invited to attend and  participate in the discussion.
>>>>>>>~ Articles in the local media. 
              Letters to the Editor in the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and 
              even the Daily Illini are one of the few ways to join a general 
              political discussion locally.
>>>>>>>~ Demands to elected 
              representatives. People in Champaign-Urbana are represented in 
              Congress by Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by 
              Representative Rodney Davis. All three support the 
              administration's wars and assassinations - and are in fact urging 
              Obama to expand the killing. You can register your opinion by 
              calling their Washington DC offices, which can be reached at 
              202-224-3121. (Say that you are calling from Illinois' 13th 
              Congressional District.)
>>>>>>>~ Internet presence. AWARE conducts 
              two email mailing lists, which you can join on the websites: 
              <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace>  for announcements, and, for discussion of the war, <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss>.  You can join the discussion on our Facebook page: <https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AWARE 
              honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange, Snowden
>>>>>>>and 
              others - persecuted by the Obama 
              administration
>>>>>>>
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