[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Thu Aug 29 01:32:56 UTC 2013
David, er, "Plague",
I think this outburst was in response to your rejection of
his offer to be stalked by you.
Now that you mention it, he does seem a bit Hoosier-ish.
wj
On 08/29/13 9:15, Gregg Gordon wrote:
> Thank you. I forgot plague. Also Harpies. And Les Mouches.
>
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> *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon
> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>
> *WOW !*
> *How interesting that your outburst of hate was a result of me asking
> you if you are involved in the community !*
> :" I've been to your meetings."
> *Which meetings are you talking about ?*
> " I've seen your tv show. Alex Jones without the entertainment "
> *Alex Jones ?? How interesting.*
> *What would you say that Alex Jones and I have in common as far as
> program content ?*
> *I would be REALLY curious to know.*
> " Am I now or have I ever been a communist? "
> *I don't know, are you ?*
> *Or are you implying ( again ) that I am a Communist instead of a
> racist....*
> *Make up your mind !*
> *The answer is no, but I have been called worse.*
> "You're a virus. You're cancer. You're death to anything you've ever
> been involved with. If you think I would expose my friends to that,
> add insane to virus
> and cancer ".
> *Is that the best ( worse ) you can say about me ?*
> *Again nothing specific from you.*
>
> "Man, you so missed your chance at civility. You want respect?
> You're a loose tooth. You're a canker sore. You're a barnacle, but
> not so easily gotten rid of. You're dog shit on my shoe."
> *In general, it seems I hit some nerve that set you off.*
> *As I stated in my last e-mail, I ( nor anyone else on this list ) ;
> cursed you ar disrespected you. *
> *If you think I was not being civil just becasue i disagreed with you
> about something, I truely don't know what to tell you, except that
> sometimes the truth hurts.*
> *But you shouldn't feel that way...the truth can set you free.*
> *Obviously there is more to this than the initial e-mail exchange on
> peace discuss.*
> *And funny how I have never seen you post to Peace Discuss prior, nor
> have I ever heard of you before, and except for a few encounters with
> C-U Occupy , nobody I know who is involved in the community in
> regards to social activism has ever heard of you.*
> *So what type of editing and writting do you do ?*
> *Where do you work ?*
> *Are you originally from Bloomington Indiana or did you just go to
> school there ?*
> *David Johnson*
> *aka. The Plague*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* David Johnson <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> ;
> Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
> "Respectfully" Really? Who am I talking to? A 3-year-old? No,
> I've known 3-year-olds. They're more convincing.
>
> Are you insincere, or just obtuse? You tell me. The only thing
> more transparent than your insincerity is your ineffectiveness.
> I've been to your meetings. My one word description -- LONELY.
> I've seen your tv show. Alex Jones without the entertainment. My
> God, you're a joke. Am I now or have I ever been a communist?
> Are you serious? Why would I tell you? You're a virus. You're
> cancer. You're death to anything you've ever been involved with.
> If you think I would expose my friends to that, add insane to
> virus and cancer.
>
> Man, you so missed your chance at civility. You want respect?
> You're a loose tooth. You're a canker sore. You're a barnacle,
> but not so easily gotten rid of. You're dog shit on my shoe.
>
> I'm out of your sandbox now. It's all yours.
>
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> *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg
> Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>
> *Calm down Greg,*
> *I could say something smart ass like *
> *" your not my type ",*
> * but seriously, I was just curious to see if you are involved in
> the community or not *.
> *No need to be so paranoid just becasue we may disagree on something.*
> *David Johnson*
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* David Johnson <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> ;
> Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
> Why? Do you want to stalk me?
>
>
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> *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
> <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>>
> *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>; Gregg Gordon
> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
> *Well Greg,*
> *I am truely sorry that you feel that way.*
> *Discussion / debate are at times necessary for understanding.*
> *No one threatened you or cursed at you or disrespected you,
> so I am not certain what you mean when you stated that " Its'
> impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace .."*
> *Some of us stated our views and wanted clarification of some
> of your statements, so I really do not understand why you feel
> the way you do.*
> *What organizations are you involved with locally ?*
> *Respectfully*
> *David Johnson*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Carl G. Estabrook <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu> ;
> Brussel, Morton K <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>
> *Cc:* Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
> Quad Day
>
> Well, I see it's impossible to have a peaceful discussion
> about peace, even on Peace-discuss. That's a shame. It's
> not just the unnecessary and uncalled for hostility,
> unpleasant but manageable. But you won't even argue with
> me. You put words in my mouth that I never said, and then
> you argue with that. That's pointless.
>
> But you've made your points, and you've made mine as
> well. When you might have convinced me, instead you
> alienated me. I don't know in what school of activism you
> learned that tactic, but I question its effectiveness.
> All you succeeded in doing is in making me marvel at the
> lack of mental discipline required to obtain a Ph.D.
>
> As to the other questions hanging out there, there are any
> number of websites you can go to -- freerepublic.com,
> redstate.com. I find the stuff too sickening to quote
> myself, but you'll see that you fit right in. And yes, I
> do belong to some groups here. I would probably belong to
> yours, if only you weren't in it.
>
>
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> *From:* Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> *To:* "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>
> *Cc:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>; Peace-discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
> Quad Day
>
> I've thought for a while that the fall-back position of
> American liberalism, as it surrendered to the neoliberal
> onslaught, was a sort of hysterical anti-racism.
>
> Walter Benn Michaels argued for something like that in his
> "The Trouble with Diversity: How We Learned to Love
> Identity and Ignore Inequality" (2005).
>
> He refined the argument in subsequent articles. "...Well,
> I wrote the book four or five years ago and I know more
> about it now than I did then. So yeah, that’s true, the
> book is in a certain sense a response to what seemed to me
> very visible on the surface, but I had much less of a
> sense of how that situation came about. One of the things
> that’s been useful—I know it’s been useful for me, but I
> think it’s actually be useful in general for at least some
> people on the Left in thinking about these issues—has been
> the popularization of the concept of neoliberalism, which
> has given us a better ability to periodize the history of
> capitalism and especially of events since World War II." -
> [See more at:
> <http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/#sthash.ArGHlaip.dpuf>]
>
> Mr. Gordon is not untypical. --CGE
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "Brussel, Morton K"
> <brussel at illinois.edu <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
>> From someone who is on this anti-war, anti-imperialist
>> list, this argument is sick!! I.e., that one should not
>> slam the current despicable president because he is black
>> (somewhat).
>>
>> --mkb
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead
>>> to a meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as
>>> Lincoln said, "We must use the tools we have." At least
>>> it allows me to be brief.
>>>
>>> No, I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply
>>> that. My purpose was not to discuss Obama's policies,
>>> foreign or domestic, or what constitutional amendments
>>> our (in other contexts) racist Founding Fathers left us
>>> he may or may not have violated. That's another discussion.
>>>
>>> But in your own ways, you illustrate my point
>>> perfectly. Because I also read right-wing blogs, just
>>> to try to figure out how they think, and take my word,
>>> they're some pretty vicious racists. And I find the
>>> tone and even the language you two have employed here
>>> indistinguishable from what I find there. I find that
>>> amazing. And to the extent those blogs remind me of
>>> nothing so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than
>>> amazing. I find it appalling. I know the enemy of my
>>> enemy is my friend, but for an anti-racism group, that
>>> seems to be taking it too far.
>>>
>>> Cornell West notwithstanding, most of the black people I
>>> know like Obama and are proud that he is president, and
>>> black turnout in the most recent election tells me my
>>> friends are not outliers. It seems to me an anti-racism
>>> effort would be wise to take that into account. That's
>>> the only thing I wanted to discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
>>> <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>>
>>> *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>; Gregg Gordon
>>> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:13 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
>>> Quad Day
>>>
>>> Gee Greg,
>>> I hope your not trying to imply that becasue Obama is
>>> African American that he should be given a blank check
>>> to commit war crimes and impoverish Working Americans,
>>> especially African American Workers ?
>>> This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of this
>>> country hoped for when they recruited and helped get
>>> Obama elected.
>>> Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of the
>>> harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and
>>> Black Agenda Report.
>>> Not to mention that if you research Obama's REAL
>>> history, you will see that he has NO common experience
>>> with the average African American in the U.S.. or for
>>> that matter any Working American.
>>> David Johnson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>>> *To:* Brussel, Morton K
>>> <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu> ; Estabrook, Carl G
>>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>>> *Cc:* peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net List
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net%20List>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:38 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer
>>> for Quad Day
>>>
>>> I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with
>>> this, but I've been wondering for a long time and
>>> all the March on Washington stuff this weekend
>>> brought it back to mind.
>>>
>>> Why does an organization whose purpose is to fight
>>> racism so often speak with such hostility toward our
>>> first black president? It's obviously
>>> counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not
>>> be counterproductive.
>>>
>>> Gregg Gordon
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu
>>> <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>>
>>> *To:* "Estabrook, Carl G" <galliher at illinois.edu
>>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>
>>> *Cc:* "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> List"
>>> <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>;
>>> "peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>"
>>> <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:39 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer
>>> for Quad Day
>>>
>>> I would add that this administration is now
>>> specifically threatening, and waging covert
>>> activities against, Iran and Syria, two countries of
>>> no threat to the U.S., but who are seen by this
>>> administration as a threat to "our national
>>> interests", that of corporate America and its clients.
>>>
>>> --kb
>>>
>>> But in any case a useful statement.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>
>>>> [The flyer is attached. Comments are welcome. The
>>>> text is as follows.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana
>>>> (AWARE)
>>>>
>>>> AWARE was founded immediately after the attacks of
>>>> September 11, 2001, by residents of
>>>> Champaign-Urbana and members of the University of
>>>> Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government would
>>>> use those crimes as an excuse to carry on and
>>>> expand its wars for the control of Middle East
>>>> energy resources. For a dozen years members and
>>>> friends of AWARE have worked to end the killing by
>>>> informing their fellow citizens of the real nature
>>>> of the "war on terrorism," in opposition to the
>>>> largest and most sophisticated propaganda campaign
>>>> in history, conducted by the Bush and Obama
>>>> administrations, and directed at the American people.
>>>>
>>>> Today the U.S. government is threatening, invading,
>>>> and occupying countries in a vast circle with a
>>>> 2500-mile radius around the Persian Gulf, from
>>>> north Africa to the borders of India and China, a
>>>> region sometimes called the "Greater Middle East."
>>>> (The U.S. military calls it "Central Command.")
>>>> This region has the world's greatest concentration
>>>> of oil and natural gas, and our government is
>>>> spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month
>>>> after month, to control it. Control and not just
>>>> access to these energy resources is what our
>>>> government demands. We in fact import little of our
>>>> own oil supplies from the Mideast - most of our
>>>> imported oil comes from the western hemisphere,
>>>> notably Canada and Venezuela - but control of world
>>>> energy supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled
>>>> advantage over our economic rivals in Europe and Asia.
>>>>
>>>> President Obama is killing men, women, and children
>>>> around the world to "fight terrorism," he claims,
>>>> but as Noam Chomsky explains, “The Obama
>>>> administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism
>>>> ... it’s doing it all over the world. Obama ... is
>>>> running the biggest terrorist operation that exists
>>>> ... The drone assassination campaigns ... are just
>>>> part of it; special forces operations and so on,
>>>> all of these operations, they are terror
>>>> operations.” The U.S. Special Operations Command -
>>>> in fact a 25,000-member private army run by the
>>>> president - are American death squads, who by their
>>>> own account are operating in more than a hundred
>>>> countries around the world. No wonder we are hated
>>>> in those countries.
>>>>
>>>> If you object to the Obama administration's
>>>> conducting illegal and unjustified war - and lying
>>>> about the reasons for it - join us. AWARE meets
>>>> every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the White Horse Inn
>>>> on in Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss
>>>> the war and plan activities like the following:
>>>> ~ Street demonstrations. For more than a decade
>>>> AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed
>>>> information about the war; they now occur on the
>>>> first Saturday of every month, 2-4pm, at Main and
>>>> Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All are welcome
>>>> to join us.
>>>> ~ Information tables. At the Urbana Farmers' Market
>>>> and other public events, like the Sweet Corn
>>>> Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has
>>>> tables with free printed information on the war and
>>>> books, t-shirts, buttons and bumper stickers at cost.
>>>> ~ Television programs. AWARE produces a weekly hour
>>>> of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen
>>>> Tuesdays at 10pm on Urbana Public Television
>>>> <http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/>. The
>>>> program is recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays
>>>> in the UPTV studios. Members and friends of AWARE
>>>> are invited to attend and participate in the
>>>> discussion.
>>>> ~ Articles in the local media. Letters to the
>>>> Editor in the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and
>>>> even the Daily Illini are one of the few ways to
>>>> join a general political discussion locally.
>>>> ~ Demands to elected representatives. People in
>>>> Champaign-Urbana are represented in Congress by
>>>> Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by
>>>> Representative Rodney Davis. All three support the
>>>> administration's wars and assassinations - and are
>>>> in fact urging Obama to expand the killing. You can
>>>> register your opinion by calling their Washington
>>>> DC offices, which can be reached at 202-224-3121.
>>>> (Say that you are calling from Illinois' 13th
>>>> Congressional District.)
>>>> ~ Internet presence. AWARE conducts two email
>>>> mailing lists, which you can join on the websites:
>>>> <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace>
>>>> for announcements, and, for discussion of the war,
>>>> <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss>.
>>>> You can join the discussion on our Facebook page:
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/>.
>>>>
>>>> AWARE honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange,
>>>> Snowden
>>>> and others - persecuted by the Obama administration
>>>>
>>>> ###
>>>>
>>>>
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