[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day

"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" ewj at pigsqq.org
Thu Aug 29 01:32:56 UTC 2013


David, er, "Plague",

I think this outburst was in response to your rejection of
his offer to be stalked by you.

Now that you mention it, he does seem a bit Hoosier-ish.

wj

On 08/29/13 9:15, Gregg Gordon wrote:
> Thank you.  I forgot plague.  Also Harpies.  And Les Mouches.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon 
> <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
> 
> *WOW !*
> *How interesting that your outburst of hate was a result of me asking 
> you if you are involved in the community !*
> :" I've been to your meetings."
> *Which meetings are you talking about ?*
>   " I've seen your tv show.  Alex Jones without the entertainment "
> *Alex Jones ??  How interesting.*
> *What would you say that Alex Jones and I have in common as far as 
> program content ?*
> *I would be REALLY curious to know.*
> " Am I now or have I ever been a communist? "
> *I don't know, are you ?*
> *Or are you implying ( again ) that I am a Communist instead of a 
> racist....*
> *Make up your mind !*
> *The answer is no, but I have been called worse.*
> "You're a virus.  You're cancer.  You're death to anything you've ever 
> been involved with.  If you think I would expose my friends to that, 
> add insane to virus
> and cancer ".
> *Is that the best ( worse ) you can say about me ?*
> *Again nothing specific from you.*
>
> "Man, you so missed your chance at civility.  You want respect?  
> You're a loose tooth.  You're a canker sore.  You're a barnacle, but 
> not so easily gotten rid of.  You're dog shit on my shoe."
> *In general, it seems I hit some nerve that set you off.*
> *As I stated in my last e-mail, I ( nor anyone else on this list ) ; 
> cursed you ar disrespected you. *
> *If you think I was not being civil just becasue i disagreed with you 
> about something, I truely don't know what to tell you, except that 
> sometimes the truth hurts.*
> *But you shouldn't feel that way...the truth can set you free.*
> *Obviously there is more to this than the initial e-mail exchange on 
> peace discuss.*
> *And funny how I have never seen you post to Peace Discuss prior, nor 
> have I ever heard of you before, and except for a few encounters with 
> C-U  Occupy , nobody I know who is involved in the community in 
> regards to social activism has ever heard of you.*
> *So what type of editing and writting do you do ?*
> *Where do you work ?*
> *Are you originally from Bloomington Indiana or did you just go to 
> school there ?*
> *David Johnson*
> *aka. The Plague*
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>     *To:* David Johnson <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> ;
>     Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:16 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>     "Respectfully"  Really?  Who am I talking to?   A 3-year-old?  No,
>     I've known 3-year-olds.  They're more convincing.
>
>     Are you insincere, or just obtuse?  You tell me.  The only thing
>     more transparent than your insincerity is your ineffectiveness. 
>     I've been to your meetings.  My one word description -- LONELY. 
>     I've seen your tv show.  Alex Jones without the entertainment.  My
>     God, you're a joke.  Am I now or have I ever been a communist? 
>     Are you serious?  Why would I tell you?  You're a virus.  You're
>     cancer.  You're death to anything you've ever been involved with. 
>     If you think I would expose my friends to that, add insane to
>     virus and cancer.
>
>     Man, you so missed your chance at civility.  You want respect? 
>     You're a loose tooth.  You're a canker sore.  You're a barnacle,
>     but not so easily gotten rid of.  You're dog shit on my shoe.
>
>     I'm out of your sandbox now.  It's all yours.
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
>     *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg
>     Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:05 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>     
>     *Calm down Greg,*
>     *I could say something smart ass like *
>     *" your not my type ",*
>     * but seriously, I was just curious to see if you are involved in
>     the community or not *.
>     *No need to be so paranoid just becasue we may disagree on something.*
>     *David Johnson*
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>         *To:* David Johnson <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> ;
>         Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:27 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>         Why?  Do you want to stalk me?
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
>         <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>>
>         *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>         <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>; Gregg Gordon
>         <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:33 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
>
>         *Well Greg,*
>         *I am truely sorry that you feel that way.*
>         *Discussion / debate are at times necessary for understanding.*
>         *No one threatened you or cursed at you or disrespected you,
>         so I am not certain what you mean when you stated that " Its'
>         impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace .."*
>         *Some of us stated our views and wanted clarification of some
>         of your statements, so I really do not understand why you feel
>         the way you do.*
>         *What organizations are you involved with locally ?*
>         *Respectfully*
>         *David Johnson*
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>             *To:* Carl G. Estabrook <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu> ;
>             Brussel, Morton K <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>
>             *Cc:* Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:54 AM
>             *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
>             Quad Day
>
>             Well, I see it's impossible to have a peaceful discussion
>             about peace, even on Peace-discuss.  That's a shame.  It's
>             not just the unnecessary and uncalled for hostility,
>             unpleasant but manageable.  But you won't even argue with
>             me.  You put words in my mouth that I never said, and then
>             you argue with that.  That's pointless.
>
>             But you've made your points, and you've made mine as
>             well.  When you might have convinced me, instead you
>             alienated me. I don't know in what school of activism you
>             learned that tactic, but I question its effectiveness. 
>             All you succeeded in doing is in making me marvel at the
>             lack of mental discipline required to obtain a Ph.D.
>
>             As to the other questions hanging out there, there are any
>             number of websites you can go to -- freerepublic.com,
>             redstate.com.  I find the stuff too sickening to quote
>             myself, but you'll see that you fit right in.  And yes, I
>             do belong to some groups here.  I would probably belong to
>             yours, if only you weren't in it.
>
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>             *To:* "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>
>             *Cc:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>; Peace-discuss
>             <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:47 PM
>             *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
>             Quad Day
>
>             I've thought for a while that the fall-back position of
>             American liberalism, as it surrendered to the neoliberal
>             onslaught, was a sort of hysterical anti-racism.
>
>             Walter Benn Michaels argued for something like that in his
>             "The Trouble with Diversity: How We Learned to Love
>             Identity and Ignore Inequality" (2005).
>
>             He refined the argument in subsequent articles. "...Well,
>             I wrote the book four or five years ago and I know more
>             about it now than I did then. So yeah, that’s true, the
>             book is in a certain sense a response to what seemed to me
>             very visible on the surface, but I had much less of a
>             sense of how that situation came about. One of the things
>             that’s been useful—I know it’s been useful for me, but I
>             think it’s actually be useful in general for at least some
>             people on the Left in thinking about these issues—has been
>             the popularization of the concept of neoliberalism, which
>             has given us a better ability to periodize the history of
>             capitalism and especially of events since World War II." -
>             [See more at:
>             <http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/#sthash.ArGHlaip.dpuf>]
>
>             Mr. Gordon is not untypical.  --CGE
>
>             On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "Brussel, Morton K"
>             <brussel at illinois.edu <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
>>             From someone who is on this anti-war, anti-imperialist
>>             list, this argument is sick!! I.e., that one should not
>>             slam the current despicable president because he is black
>>             (somewhat).
>>
>>             --mkb
>>
>>
>>             On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>             Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead
>>>             to a meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as
>>>             Lincoln said, "We must use the tools we have."  At least
>>>             it allows me to be brief.
>>>
>>>             No, I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply
>>>             that.  My purpose was not to discuss Obama's policies,
>>>             foreign or domestic, or what constitutional amendments
>>>             our (in other contexts) racist Founding Fathers left us
>>>             he may or may not have violated.  That's another discussion.
>>>
>>>             But in your own ways, you illustrate my point
>>>             perfectly.  Because I also read right-wing blogs, just
>>>             to try to figure out how they think, and take my word,
>>>             they're some pretty vicious racists.  And I find the
>>>             tone and even the language you two have employed here
>>>             indistinguishable from what I find there.  I find that
>>>             amazing.  And to the extent those blogs remind me of
>>>             nothing so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than
>>>             amazing.  I find it appalling.  I know the enemy of my
>>>             enemy is my friend, but for an anti-racism group, that
>>>             seems to be taking it too far.
>>>
>>>             Cornell West notwithstanding, most of the black people I
>>>             know like Obama and are proud that he is president, and
>>>             black turnout in the most recent election tells me my
>>>             friends are not outliers.  It seems to me an anti-racism
>>>             effort would be wise to take that into account.  That's
>>>             the only thing I wanted to discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>             *From:* David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
>>>             <mailto:davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>>
>>>             *To:* Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>             <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>; Gregg Gordon
>>>             <ggregg79 at yahoo.com <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>>
>>>             *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:13 PM
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for
>>>             Quad Day
>>>
>>>             Gee Greg,
>>>             I hope your not trying to imply that becasue Obama is
>>>             African American that he should be given a blank check
>>>             to commit war crimes and impoverish Working Americans,
>>>             especially African American Workers ?
>>>             This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of this
>>>             country hoped for when they recruited and helped get
>>>             Obama elected.
>>>             Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of the
>>>             harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and
>>>             Black Agenda Report.
>>>             Not to mention that if you research Obama's REAL
>>>             history, you will see that he has NO common experience
>>>             with the average African American in the U.S.. or for
>>>             that matter any Working American.
>>>             David Johnson
>>>
>>>                 ----- Original Message -----
>>>                 *From:* Gregg Gordon <mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
>>>                 *To:* Brussel, Morton K
>>>                 <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu> ; Estabrook, Carl G
>>>                 <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>>>                 *Cc:* peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net List
>>>                 <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net%20List>
>>>                 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:38 PM
>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer
>>>                 for Quad Day
>>>
>>>                 I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with
>>>                 this, but I've been wondering for a long time and
>>>                 all the March on Washington stuff this weekend
>>>                 brought it back to mind.
>>>
>>>                 Why does an organization whose purpose is to fight
>>>                 racism so often speak with such hostility toward our
>>>                 first black president?  It's obviously
>>>                 counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not
>>>                 be counterproductive.
>>>
>>>                 Gregg Gordon
>>>
>>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                 *From:* "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu
>>>                 <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>>
>>>                 *To:* "Estabrook, Carl G" <galliher at illinois.edu
>>>                 <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>
>>>                 *Cc:* "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>                 <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> List"
>>>                 <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>                 <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>;
>>>                 "peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>"
>>>                 <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>>
>>>                 *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:39 PM
>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer
>>>                 for Quad Day
>>>
>>>                 I would add that this administration is now
>>>                 specifically threatening, and waging covert
>>>                 activities against, Iran and Syria, two countries of
>>>                 no threat to the U.S., but who are seen by this
>>>                 administration as a threat to "our national
>>>                 interests", that of corporate America and its clients.
>>>
>>>                 --kb
>>>
>>>                 But in any case a useful statement.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>
>>>>                 [The flyer is attached. Comments are welcome. The
>>>>                 text is as follows.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana
>>>>                 (AWARE)
>>>>
>>>>                 AWARE was founded immediately after the attacks of
>>>>                 September 11, 2001, by residents of
>>>>                 Champaign-Urbana and members of the University of
>>>>                 Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government would
>>>>                 use those crimes as an excuse to carry on and
>>>>                 expand its wars for the control of Middle East
>>>>                 energy resources. For a dozen years members and
>>>>                 friends of AWARE have worked to end the killing by
>>>>                 informing their fellow citizens of the real nature
>>>>                 of the "war on terrorism," in opposition to the
>>>>                 largest and most sophisticated propaganda campaign
>>>>                 in history, conducted by the Bush and Obama
>>>>                 administrations, and directed at the American people.
>>>>
>>>>                 Today the U.S. government is threatening, invading,
>>>>                 and occupying countries in a vast circle with a
>>>>                 2500-mile radius around the Persian Gulf, from
>>>>                 north Africa to the borders of India and China, a
>>>>                 region sometimes called the "Greater Middle East."
>>>>                 (The U.S. military calls it "Central Command.")
>>>>                 This region has the world's greatest concentration
>>>>                 of oil and natural gas, and our government is
>>>>                 spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month
>>>>                 after month, to control it. Control and not just
>>>>                 access to these energy resources is what our
>>>>                 government demands. We in fact import little of our
>>>>                 own oil supplies from the Mideast - most of our
>>>>                 imported oil comes from the western hemisphere,
>>>>                 notably Canada and Venezuela - but control of world
>>>>                 energy supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled
>>>>                 advantage over our economic rivals in Europe and Asia.
>>>>
>>>>                 President Obama is killing men, women, and children
>>>>                 around the world to "fight terrorism," he claims,
>>>>                 but as Noam Chomsky explains, “The Obama
>>>>                 administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism
>>>>                 ... it’s doing it all over the world. Obama ... is
>>>>                 running the biggest terrorist operation that exists
>>>>                 ... The drone assassination campaigns ... are just
>>>>                 part of it; special forces operations and so on,
>>>>                 all of these operations, they are terror
>>>>                 operations.” The U.S. Special Operations Command -
>>>>                 in fact a 25,000-member private army run by the
>>>>                 president - are American death squads, who by their
>>>>                 own account are operating in more than a hundred
>>>>                 countries around the world. No wonder we are hated
>>>>                 in those countries.
>>>>
>>>>                 If you object to the Obama administration's
>>>>                 conducting illegal and unjustified war - and lying
>>>>                 about the reasons for it - join us. AWARE meets
>>>>                 every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the White Horse Inn
>>>>                 on in Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss
>>>>                 the war and plan activities like the following:
>>>>                 ~ Street demonstrations. For more than a decade
>>>>                 AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed
>>>>                 information about the war; they now occur on the
>>>>                 first Saturday of every month, 2-4pm, at Main and
>>>>                 Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All are welcome
>>>>                 to join us.
>>>>                 ~ Information tables. At the Urbana Farmers' Market
>>>>                 and other public events, like the Sweet Corn
>>>>                 Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has
>>>>                 tables with free printed information on the war and
>>>>                 books, t-shirts, buttons and bumper stickers at cost.
>>>>                 ~ Television programs. AWARE produces a weekly hour
>>>>                 of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen
>>>>                 Tuesdays at 10pm on Urbana Public Television
>>>>                 <http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/>. The
>>>>                 program is recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays
>>>>                 in the UPTV studios. Members and friends of AWARE
>>>>                 are invited to attend and participate in the
>>>>                 discussion.
>>>>                 ~ Articles in the local media. Letters to the
>>>>                 Editor in the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and
>>>>                 even the Daily Illini are one of the few ways to
>>>>                 join a general political discussion locally.
>>>>                 ~ Demands to elected representatives. People in
>>>>                 Champaign-Urbana are represented in Congress by
>>>>                 Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by
>>>>                 Representative Rodney Davis. All three support the
>>>>                 administration's wars and assassinations - and are
>>>>                 in fact urging Obama to expand the killing. You can
>>>>                 register your opinion by calling their Washington
>>>>                 DC offices, which can be reached at 202-224-3121.
>>>>                 (Say that you are calling from Illinois' 13th
>>>>                 Congressional District.)
>>>>                 ~ Internet presence. AWARE conducts two email
>>>>                 mailing lists, which you can join on the websites:
>>>>                 <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace>
>>>>                 for announcements, and, for discussion of the war,
>>>>                 <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss>.
>>>>                 You can join the discussion on our Facebook page:
>>>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/>.
>>>>
>>>>                 AWARE honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange,
>>>>                 Snowden
>>>>                 and others - persecuted by the Obama administration
>>>>
>>>>                 ###
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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