[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Save books, because you can't save kids from Obama?
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Fri Jul 12 18:28:44 UTC 2013
A pack of pathetic nonsense it seems.
Indeed it is interesting that there
have been no info leaks.
I saw the burnt shell of the cctv tower. it just stood there
rusty and burnt up like a matchstick.
On 07/13/13 0:36, Chris Goodrow wrote:
> Here is a link from NIST offering no explanation for their conclusions.
>
> http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:40 AM, "Stephen Francis" <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> The key to the WTC demolitions is WTC7. It was the 47 story building
>> within a few hundred yards of the WTC towers. The WTC7 fell into its
>> own footprint in less than 10 seconds at 5:20 on 9/11/01. There were
>> only a few small fires on two floors. NIST offers no explanation for
>> their conclusions, they just say they can't explain it. The 9/11
>> bogus commission didn't even include this in their reports.
>> Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth focus on WTC7 because no
>> planes struck it. It was not hit by a plane and with great amazement
>> the BBC actually reported the collapse a half hour before it
>> occurred. All this is meticulously documented. I could go on and on
>> here with far more dramatic evidence. I'm sure many of you know all
>> this. If you continue investigating just WTC7 issues you find all
>> sorts of financial and political links that are highly suspicious. If
>> you can refute this with real evidence I would be glad to look at it.
>> As far as the WTC towers themselves, no other steel frame structures
>> have ever collapsed due to fire. Here's a small list of comparable
>> buildings that burned far longer and hotter and did not collapse:
>> http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html They
>> include the One Meridian Plaza, First Interstate Bank, New York
>> Plaza, Caracas Tower, Windsor Building, Beijing Mandarin Oriental
>> Hotel, CTV Tower and the recent fires of high rise towers in
>> downtown Moscow and in Chechnya.....I could go on. They were all
>> completely engrossed in flames and there was not even a hint of
>> collapse.
>> 9/11 led to the Patriot Act which has given us the NSA, Iraq,
>> Afghanistan.... its all pretty clear. No real independent
>> investigation has ever occurred. Follow the money. Again, track
>> down the financial and political connections to 9/11 and the truth
>> will be presented to you on a platter. Thank you.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:c_goodrow at hotmail.com>>
>> *To:* David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>>
>> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>;
>> "occupycu at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>"
>> <occupycu at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books, because you
>> can't save kids from Obama?
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> While I appreciate the offer, I don't see it as an issue. I also
>> wouldn't go on the radio to discuss with birthers my opinion of that.
>>
>> Here's something I never quite understood. We know two planes hit the
>> World Trade Center buildings. What reason would there be to place
>> detonators in surrounding buildings? Did the actual perpetrators of
>> this feel that two planes flying into the twin towers and one into
>> the Pentagon wouldn't bring enough outrage to the American people to
>> help justify going into Afghanistan or Iraq later with the right
>> amount of propaganda? We would need surrounding buildings to collapse
>> to finally put us over the edge?
>>
>> Oh wait, that's right, a plane didn't fly into the Pentagon. That was
>> a missile, right? Then where did that plane go? Did it just disappear?
>>
>> My point is that not only do I feel I don't need to spend time and
>> energy investigating 9/11, I also don't feel the need to spend time
>> and energy arguing against the conspiracy theory.
>>
>> As far as our government is concerned involving 9/11, if anything,
>> their complicity would be negligence.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net
>> <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Chris,*
>>> *I am having Stephen as a guest on the World Labor Hour a week from
>>> this Saturday ( July 20th ) to specificly talk about who and what
>>> the organization Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth is all about.*
>>> *Would you like to also come on the program to discuss this issue ?*
>>> *David Johnson*
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Chris Goodrow <mailto:c_goodrow at hotmail.com>
>>> *To:* Stephen Francis <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
>>> *Cc:* peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net> ; C. G. Estabrook
>>> <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com> ; occupycu
>>> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:17 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books,because you
>>> can't save kids from Obama?
>>>
>>> I'd like to answer this one. Why is very little attention paid
>>> to the 9/11 Truth movement? Probably because there are already
>>> enough people paying attention to it.
>>>
>>> You claim there are only two possible reasons people would
>>> disagree with this conspiracy theory. Either misinformed or a
>>> ulterior motive for doing so. You left out one other possibility
>>> which I feel I fall under. Maybe we just think it's bunk. For as
>>> many people who think this as fact, there are so many more who
>>> do not, many of them architects or engineers.
>>>
>>> But mostly, I think you give our government far too much credit
>>> to be able to first, pull this off and secondly, not get it
>>> leaked. A government that could pull off something this
>>> sophisticated would also be able to "find" WMDs. That would be a
>>> cake walk in comparison.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:44 AM, "Stephen Francis"
>>> <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com <mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll go out on a limb here and defend Carl Estabrook to a
>>>> certain degree. Why is it that certain people can get so
>>>> disturbed by a 'library' story and then not participate in any
>>>> sort of local action involving national issues such as
>>>> fracking, jails-for-profit, manufactured wars. It can be
>>>> likened to CNN's calculated fixation on George Zimmerman. But
>>>> this is too harsh because I don't know enough about the
>>>> individuals who are so exited about the 'library' issue..so
>>>> I'll back off of that. I agree we shouldn't disparage them. I
>>>> will not only defend Carl but take it one more step and ask why
>>>> there is very little attention paid to the 9/11 Truth movement.
>>>> There is more than ample proof that 9/11 was an inside job.
>>>> Anyone who disagrees with this has not researched or have an
>>>> agenda to suppress it. To me it is an effective litmus test
>>>> to judge the real intentions of a so called peace activist.
>>>> There are very powerful forces in the media and government who
>>>> want to suppress the 9/11 Truth movement and an effective way
>>>> is to distract via Zimmerman or other 'stories' that well up
>>>> emotions.
>>>> The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.org
>>>> <http://truth.org/> is initiating a $300,000 world wide
>>>> campaign to raise awareness. AE911Truth is comprised of 2000
>>>> professional architects and engineers and over 17000 supporters
>>>> who prove with the laws of physics that three WTC towers were
>>>> intentionally demolished. A certain middle eastern country
>>>> does not want this information known.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com>>
>>>> *To:* "Rickman, Aimee N" <arickman at illinois.edu
>>>> <mailto:arickman at illinois.edu>>; C. G. Estabrook
>>>> <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>>;
>>>> "peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>"
>>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>
>>>> *Cc:* occupycu <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>>>> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books, because
>>>> you can't save kids from Obama?
>>>>
>>>> Carl, and all,
>>>>
>>>> It's 'way easier for people to mobilize on issues that are seen as
>>>> affecting them directly. If more of us had relatives in AF,
>>>> PK, IQ,
>>>> Yemen, etc., then more anti-war events these days might fill
>>>> rooms,
>>>> too. But to most people in the US, war and peace feel like pretty
>>>> remote issues - and intractable ones.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not everyone feels that way. You may remember Aimee
>>>> as the
>>>> one who led a bunch of us in demonstrating against, and publicly
>>>> questioning, a champion of the military-industrial complex whom
>>>> the U of
>>>> I recently invited to speak on the "public good" (!) - Norman
>>>> Augustine,
>>>> ex-head of Lockheed Martin.
>>>>
>>>> If we want to see an anti-war movement that is as effective in
>>>> organizing people as other local activists have been in
>>>> organizing them
>>>> over libraries, schools, and jails, then we have to find a way
>>>> to make
>>>> distant, ever-more-secret wars seem immediate and personal -
>>>> and to make
>>>> them seem other than inevitable. (Remember the woman who, at a
>>>> recent
>>>> demonstration, commented that "no one goes to war because they
>>>> *want* to.")
>>>>
>>>> There's no need to disparage local democratic action because we
>>>> haven't
>>>> figured out how to do that.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> On 7/10/13 10:17 AM, Rickman, Aimee N wrote:
>>>> > Carl,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am really troubled by this comment. Do you even know what
>>>> is going on at the library?
>>>> >
>>>> > Your insinuation that the concerns raised over the situation
>>>> at the library somehow take energy away from organizing around
>>>> more important issues is offensive and wrong. People organizing
>>>> around the library are addressing issues of labor, of power, of
>>>> transparency, of private control over public spaces, with folks
>>>> from CU demanding public involvement in the stewarding of this
>>>> local public institutions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is the library situation as worrisome as the US drone
>>>> program? As the findings and treatment of Snoden, Manning, or
>>>> Assange? As the dismantling of the voter right bill? As our
>>>> continued involvement in the middle east? No. But it is not
>>>> fair for you to pit this issue against the others and call one
>>>> more worthy than the other. Those of us organizing around the
>>>> library are not tunnel-visioned. We can (and do) give our
>>>> attention to more than one issue at a time. Your comment
>>>> suggests that the library is being challenged to the detriment
>>>> of the betterment of other worthy causes. This is not the case.
>>>> It is not a zero sum game. And it is for you to suggest that
>>>> this is a displaced witch hunt trivializes what is going on at
>>>> the library and demeans the powerful ripple effect that comes
>>>> from movements such as this that encourage citizens to claim
>>>> their rights and to realize (despite all they are told) that
>>>> they can make a difference in how things go.
>>>> >
>>>> > Beyond this, your comment is a very familiar cocky
>>>> discrediting of an effort for not being the "real" or "right"
>>>> one. Why, Carl? You must see that this is demeaning and
>>>> offensive and just plain wrong.
>>>> >
>>>> > Perhaps you want to learn more about what is going on at UFL?
>>>> If so, here's a clearinghouse of information:
>>>> http://reclaimingourlibrary.blogspot.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > But I am guessing you are not interested in this. I admired
>>>> you on News from Neptune, but have grown more than weary of
>>>> your eternally pessimistic and judgmental armchair commentary
>>>> on this list. I think you're more than content to be in this
>>>> space whether the target of your critique is Obama or your
>>>> activist neighbors.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is unfortunate.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > **************Apologies for any random question marks my
>>>> system has weirdly added to this email********************
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________________
>>>> > From: OccupyCU [occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>>>> <mailto:occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] on behalf of C.
>>>> G. Estabrook [carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>> <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>]
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:11 AM
>>>> > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>>> > Cc: sftalk at yahoogroups.com <mailto:sftalk at yahoogroups.com>;
>>>> occupycu
>>>> > Subject: [OccupyCU] Save books, because you can't save kids
>>>> from Obama?
>>>> >
>>>> > Quite remarkable outrage is being displayed by people of
>>>> progressive disposition in Urbana over the discarding of books
>>>> from the local library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Given IT, such a decision is probably of as little importance
>>>> as at any time since the invention of printing. But a friend
>>>> plausibly suggests that the outrage is displaced affect,
>>>> arising from our seeming inability or unwillingness to stop the
>>>> all-but-ignored killing by our murderous government - or even
>>>> to stop our chief magistrate (whom many library protestors
>>>> voted for) from persecuting those who publish the truth -
>>>> Snowden, Manning, Assange, et al.
>>>> >
>>>> > We choke on a culling gnat and stomach a criminal camel.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-07-09/updated-urbana-library-seek-early-separation-director.html
>>>> >
>>>> > --CGE
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