[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library

[Roger Helbig]

Jim,

Why don't you explain your connection to this American Free Press, Barnes
Review event featuring Douglas Lind Rokke along with Holocaust deniers - I
expect you also like the video The Plane Truth produced by David von
Kleist, the master-of-ceremonies of this event.

Neo Nazi American Free Press/The Barnes Review convention
http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com

Roger



On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm passing Jim's response to David Gehrig on to the group(s)...
> and would like to reiterate my enthusiastic support for James Fetzer. I
> have much to learn from him.  He and I are on the same page every issue
> that I can think of.
> I again take exception to remarks like the one below:
> "Steve Francis, by his selection of Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, has made
> it clear that he has aligned himself with the Jew-hating wing of
> trooferdom."
> I reiterate my support for the following JEWISH organizations.
> NKUSA <http://www.nkusa.org/>, JewsNotZionists<http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/satmar.htm>
> , JewsAgainstZion <http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-against-zionism.html>,
> JewsAgainstZionism <http://rense.com/general54/thank.htm>, International
> Jewish AntiZionist Network <http://www.ijsn.net/home/>, American Jews
> Solidarity Against Zionism<https://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Jews-Solidarity-Against-Zionism/318506794911703>
> , Rabbis Against Zionism <http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=762>,
> IsraelVersusJudaism <http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/>.  These people
> created their organizations for a specific reason of which they are highly
> dedicated.
> See Jim's response below:
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* James Fetzer <jfetzer at d.umn.edu>
> *To:* Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference,
> Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library
>
> Steve,
>
> Kindly post this as my response to the completely unwarranted claims made
> by:
>
> David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org> appears to be the epitome of
> arrogance
> driven by ignorance. In his completely gratuitous dismissal of my
> positions, which
> he supports exclusively by a very odd quote taken out of context.  Does
> he not
> know that the figure 6,000,000 was being bandied about as early as 1890 and
> has
> 'a theological or ideological origin.  It has nothing to do with the
> history of WWII,
> including of course the Holocaust, which he may not realized would not
> take place
> for another 40 or 50 years.  But spare me more about the Holocaust!
>
> I have spelled out my position on a very wide range of complex and
> controversial
> subjects, about which it appears he knows nothing at all.  If he would
> like to show
> me wrong, THEN SHOW ME WRONG.  Pick the subject on which he thinks I am
> most likely to be wrong.  Explain my position and why I hold it, then
> spell out what
> he thinks I have wrong and why.  I find it completely insulting
> to everyone whom he
> addresses that he can make pompous pronouncements with no proof!
>
> Here is a thumbnail sketch of my positions on issues that have arisen on
> the thread:
>
> 9/11 was not committed by 19 Islamic terrorists who hijacked four
> commercial airliners and outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system
> in the world;
> the Wellstone plane crash was not an accident, as the NTSB reported, but
> was very carefully contrived for the GOP to take control of the Senate and
> launch wars;
> the Holocaust has been exaggerated for political reasons, including war
> crimes by the allies in the form of collective punishment of German cities,
> which they needed to conceal;
> JFK was hit four times--in the throat from in front, in the back from
> behind, and twice in the head (from behind and from the right-front)--where
> Lee Oswald didn't do it;
> the moon landing was easier to pull off than most realize, as the film,
> "Capricorn I", releals, where Stanly Kubrick seems to have faked the
> landings for the government;
> the Boston bombing was an obvious fraud, where the Craft International
> perps had been outed by the alternative press already the evening of the
> event itself; and,
> the Sandy Hook event was staged to promote gun control, which fell short
> but not for a lack of trying.
> Check out http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/fetzer/ for my and other's
> articles about them.
> If anyone thinks I am wrong about any of this, just take a look at the
> evidence and tell me what I have wrong and how you know, so I can take your
> arguments into account.
> Most of us don't have the luxury or the background or the ability to take
> this on, but I am a professional scholar who has been devoting himself to
> their study since my retirement.
> I am not happy with what we have found, but the core of rationality is to
> adapt your beliefs to the available relevant evidence.  For an explanation
> of how this can be done, consider
> "Thinking about 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK", which provides an
> introduction to "inference to the best explanation" in reasoning about
> cases like these at http://www.d.umn.edu/%7Ejfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.pdf<http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.pdf>
> I have benefited from collaborating with authorities in different domains,
> such as a world authority on the human brain and expert on wound
> ballistics, a Ph.D. in physics who is also an M.D. and board certified in
> radiation oncology;
> an M.D. who was present when JFK was brought into Trauma Room #1 and two
> days later was responsible for the treatment of his alleged assassin in
> Trauma Room #2, a legendary photo analyst and another Ph.D. in
> electromagnetism.
> In relation to 9/11, I have similarly benefitted from collaboration with
> physicists, pilots, engineers (structural, mechanical, aeronautical, and
> chemical), which has enabled me to sort things out on the basis of experts
> in areas where I am not.
> Since David insists that I have "put my reputation through a wood
> chipper", as he so cavalierly puts it, let him choose the subject among
> those I've listed and SHOW WHAT I HAVE WRONG.  He can pick the subject and
> explain what I say about it and why, then explain what I have wrong and how
> he knows.  I don't think he can prevail on any of these subjects and if he
> cannot, then we will have proof positive he is the ignoramus who has no
> idea what he's talking about, which is already apparent to me.  So he can
> take up my challenge or crawl back into the hole he came out of. The world
> will know he's a total fraud.
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM, David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>wrote:
>
> I'm not going to get caught up in a tedious cycle of reply to reply to
> reply, mostly because Jim Fetzer has already done me the favor of putting
> his reputation here through the wood chipper, so thoroughly in fact that
> there are hardly any large chunks left that need addressing. So here's my
> sole reply to this thread.
>
> I long ago decided that there was an upper limit to the politeness a
> Holocaust denier can expect, so I hope you don't expect that through some
> sense of faux collegiality I will pretend I don't notice how Fetzer's
> remarks reek of eau d'Naziboy.
>
> What is Fetzer's argument about the number of Holocaust dead based on? He
> points to a website article of the form "What is it with the lying Jews and
> their fetish about the number six million? They're polluting the minds of
> white children." Here's a direct quote from the article Fetzer found so
> persuasive:
>
> "The primary function of this insidious global propaganda campaign is to
> -- quite simply -- brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and
> paralysis while we are ideologically, economically, and physically enslaved
> by the Jewish tribe."
>
> Now, remember, that's an article that Fetzer not only doesn't find
> racially problematic, not only finds agreeable, not only doesn't set off
> his racism alarm, but finds so sunnily agreeable to his worldview that he
> actually recommended it to the rest of this list as an example of the sort
> of thing that shapes his thoughts on the topic.
>
> I've long felt that 9/11 trooferdom, while always quite stupid, was not
> inherently antisemitic. It has its Jew-haters, sure, but that doesn't mean
> everyone.
>
> Steve Francis, by his selection of Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, has made
> it clear that he has aligned himself with the Jew-hating wing of
> trooferdom.
>
> The sad part is, I don't think that Steve Francis is motivated by
> antisemitism. I just think he's so completely credulous, he doesn't do the
> most rudimentary gut-check of the antisemitic slop people like Fetzer feed
> him.
>
> @%<
>
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is James Fetzer's response to David Gehrig's post (below)
>
>   ----- Forwarded Message -----
>  *From:* James Fetzer <jfetzer at d.umn.edu>
> *To:* Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Fw: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth
> Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library
>
>
> Someone is willfully misinterpreting, but that ain't me.  I am a Holocaust
> REVISIONIST,
> because I believe we have inherited a grossly exaggerated account of the
> events that
> are alleged to have taken place at the end of WWII.  The number of alleged
> "victims" of
> the Holocaust, 6,000,000, for example, appears to be a number that has
> theological or
> ideological origins and is not historically accurate.  See, for example, a
> study discussing
> the origins of the 6,000,000 myth at
> http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/
>
> Moreover, the Nuremberg Tribunals appear to have presented a biased case
> to convey
> the impression that the Nazis were responsible for the extensive
> starvation of inmates
> at internment camps, when, as Robert Faurisson, "Against
> Hollywoodism, Revisionism",
>
> http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.htmlhas
> explained, that was a consequence of Allied bombing of German cities,
> which interdicted
> railroad lines and made it impossible to resupply the camps, leading to
> mass starvation.
> Ironically, the Tribunals found that collective punishment is a war crime,
> which the Allies
> appear to have been keen to cover-up by attributing the starvation to the
> Nazis instead.
>
> There are many other reasons to doubt the "official account" of the
> Holocaust.  I do not
> DENY that Jews, gypsies and the mentally and physically infirm were abused
> by Nazis,
> but the nature of that abuse appears to have been exaggerated for
> political purposes. It
> is no coincidence that the allegation of being a "Holocaust denier" is
> raised against any
> one who is remotely critical of the actions or policies of the government
> of Israel, which
> may qualify as "anti-Zionist" but does not qualify as "anti-Semitic". For
> more, I have a
>  half-dozen or more interviews on "The Real Deal" discussing Holocaust
> mythology at
> http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com.  Anyone can go there and do a search on
> "Holocaust".
>
> I published an article about this question, "Is 9/11 research
> 'anti-Semitic'?" in 2009. It
> is offensive that Zionist organizations and individuals continue to attack
> all of us who
> are trying to make sense of the evidence about the Holocaust and to
> counter the false
> account of history that these exaggerated attacks entail, which play upon
> a sense of
> Western guilt to manipulate the public to promote the political agenda of
> Israel.  There
> is more that could be said here, but I would like to think this is enough.
>  I have most
> recently laid out my views on these questions in an article in Veterans
> Today 2013:
>
> http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/anti-anti-semitism-and-the-search-for-historical-truth/
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>  *From:* David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
> *To:* Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* occupycu <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>; "
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
> sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference,
> Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library
>
> Is that the same Jim Fetzer who says the Nazis only killed 600,000 Jews in
> the Holocaust, based on his willful misinterpretation of an ICRC document?
> Why, yes it is.
>
> You're not doing a very good job disentangling yourself from the Holocaust
> denial movement, are you.
>
> @%<
>
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:28 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Hello all,
> The News Gazette has published an article<http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-09-16/sunday-conference-focus-911-attacks.html#comment-516074> (and
> below) on The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference this Sunday at the Urbana Free
> Library, in the auditorium from 1:30-4:45pm. Again, the speakers are three
> highly knowledgeable experts on 9/11 Truth including James Fetzer Ph.D.
> (founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth <http://911scholars.org/>), Wayne
> Madsen (editor of WayneMadsenReport.com<http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/>
> , Washington D.C.) and Kevin Barrett (co-founder of the Muslim Jewish
> Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth <http://www.mujca.com/>).  The
> conference is hosted by UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign<https://www.facebook.com/groups/uc911truth/>and
> NewsFollowUp.com<http://newsfollowup.com/midwest_911_truth_conference_champaign-urbana_september_2013_newsfollowup.htm> ...
> see Facebook Event <https://www.facebook.com/events/394502717338293/>   email:
> info at midwest911truth.com
>
> The world has changed dramatically since 9/11.  Citizens of the U.S. have
> seen a precipitous erosion in basic Constitutional rights since 9/11.
>  This usurpation of rights has been directly tied to the creation of
> government entities and legislation, such as the Department of Homeland
> Security, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the NDAA and
> revelation of massive surveillance of the American people by NSA.
>
> The first component of the conference will be to view the widely
> distributed and acclaimed documentary film by the Architects & Engineers
> for 9/11 Truth, 'Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out'. Because
> AE911Truth.org <http://www.ae911truth.org/> is a highly significant
> leader in the 9/11
> Truth movement, its influential documentary deserves careful scrutiny
> insofar its conclusions are widely regarded as providing crucial evidence
> for future legal action.
>
>
> James Fetzer, Ph.D., will assess the A&E documentary and report the
> latest scientific findings about how it was done, where all sides agree that the
> Twin Towers could not have been brought down by the impact of airliners and
> resulting fires..  His analysis of the science of 9/11 will be complemented
> by Wayne Madsen's analysis of who was responsible and why. Kevin Barrett
> will moderate and add his perspective to all of these issues.
>
> We seek to find answers to legitimate questions about 9/11 and to enable
> credible prosecutors to bring the perpetrators for these acts to
> justice.  There is a vast amount of evidence gathered to support this
> belief and has led to the conclusion that neo-cons in the US were aided by
> the intelligence services of other countries.  Supporters of the 9/11
> Truth movement, including local members of UC 9/11 Truth Urbana
> Champaign, demand a new independent and international investigation of
> 9/11.
>
> We invite all to attend. The conference is free and open to the public.
> Thank you
> Steve Francis
> UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign  email: info at midwest911truth.com
>
>
> News Gazette article:
> Sunday conference to focus on 9/11 attacks
>
> Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:40pm | The News-Gazette<http://www.news-gazette.com/author/news-gazette>
> URBANA — A conference planned this weekend in Urbana will explore issues
> surrounding the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
> The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday in the
> auditorium of the Urbana Free Library, 210 W. Green St.
> The event is sponsored by UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign. (see Facebook)
> Admission is free and open to the public.
> People who have been studying the events of Sept. 11 will talk about their
> perspectives on the attacks.
> "According to national and international polls, nearly 30 percent of the
> population is skeptical of the 'official' version of the events of 9/11,"
> said Steve Francis of UC 9/11 Truth Champaign-Urbana. "The 9/11 Commission
> Report is viewed as a cover-up by a significant percentage of citizens and
> the 9/11 Truth Movement seeks to find answers to these questions about the
> real cause of those atrocities."
> The conference will begin the presentation of a documentary film,
> "Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out."
> James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, will comment on the
> documentary and report on scientific findings.
> Wayne Madsen, editor of WayneMadsenReport.com<http://waynemadsenreport.com/>,
> will provide an analysis of who may have been responsible for the attacks
> and why.
> Kevin Barrett, co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11
> Truth, will serve as moderator and will add his perspective on the issues.
> For more information on the event, call Fetzer at 608-354-4280.
>
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