[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Videos (6) of Academic Freedom Conference: JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust, Are there Limits to Inquiry?

Thu Jun 5 09:24:40 EDT 2014

Mr. Gehrig,
Ok, now we’re getting somewhere. You are talking about the technical aspects of Auschwitz  while still hurling insults.  This is an improvement!  I would like to respond by referring to the physical evidence pertaining 
to Auschwitz II, if I may. 

The bottom line: Mr. Gehrig.... prove that Topf cremation equipment that was installed in Auschwitz could perform a cremation in less than 13 minutes. That is what is required to cremate 1440 bodies with 15 ovens in one day. Provide modern scientific references and not just questionable Nazi government reports. See math below.

First I need to make some assumptions. If you disagree with these please provide more sources beyond the Nazi government.  I will do the same.

My first assumption is that Auschwitz II was a morgue  (Nizkor). There were raging typhus epidemics and the deaths mounted to hundreds  per day. They couldn’t bury the victims, cremation was the only choice.  There is no hard evidence it was converted to a gas chamber. ... no holes in the roof and no Zyklon B in the walls...etc.... only a scientific inquiry at a university level could settle the issue and this is not allowed by the exterminationists.

The Topf & Sons (Wikipedia) company supplied the cremation equipment.  In 1942 they installed the  five three-muffle ovens to improve the efficiency of the cremation process. The cremations peaked in the summer of 1944 and the facility  was shut down in the fall of 1944, so there was only 25-30 months for it to operate.

The oven temperature had to be raised to around 1800 degrees which slowed the first cremations of the day.  That temperature  could not be exceeded because of the danger of sintering (Cremation Society of Great  Britain reports from 1975 VHO) hereby the metal of the ovens starts to melt and the firebricks breakdown and actually fuse with the bodies.  Over sixty minutes is required for each cremation. The only way to decrease the cremation time is to increase the temperature and this was not possible on Topf ovens.  and see Part 4  Academic Freedom Conference

There was a 3 hour required maintenance period each day. Overheating and other maintenance problems occurred if this requirement was not adhered to (Holocaust History) so cremations could only be performed 20 hours per day considering the considerable time it took to warm up the ovens.

Prufer was the head engineer of  Topf  and experimented with installing 3 hp blowers to stoke the flames but again ran into overheating problems and equipment breakdowns. 

The muffle openings were 23.5” x 23.5”. The average human body is 18” wide so there was less than 3” per side horizontally and not much more vertically considering the mechanism to introduce the bodies.
 source:Willheim  

The so-called 'selection' process occurred within minutes of the persons exiting the railroad cars arriving from the ghettos.  They were not emaciated and many if not most were capable of working at the nearby IG Farben plant.  Auschwitz was a labor camp.  This negates the argument that multiple bodies could be stuffed into the ovens.

The industry standard for cremation time is about one hour per 50 kgrms or about 100 lbs. And the standard time is from 1-3 hours depending on body weight.  So stuffing more bodies in the ovens just increases the time of cremation and increases the fire hazard. National Funeral Directors Association states the average time at 2 and 1/2 hours, and does not include the cooling down time

One of the arguments the exterminationists make is that more cremations could be performed it there was no cooling down process between cremations.  Well, modern cremation oven companies advertise a continuous process and this particular site (US Cremation Systems) states they could cremate six bodies in a ten hour period, which is far far below the rate stated by the exterminationists. Why would they not do it less time if it was technically possible?

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So the arguments concerning stuffing more bodies into the ovens and having no cooling times are invalid.
Now, given that the exterminationists claim that 1440 bodies could be cremated in five three-muffle ovens in one day, it would require each body to be cremated in about 12.5 minutes.  Ridiculously impossible. 
Here’s the math:  There are 1200 minutes in a 20 hour period.  Divide 1440 bodies by 15 ovens = 96 bodies per oven per day.
Divide 1200 by 96 = 12.5 minutes per body per oven. 

Mr. Gehrig, if you can find a credible source that states that Topf cremation equipment could cremate bodies in less than 13 minutes then I will concede you have won this argument.

Steve Francis

ps apologies for the font problems and text problems?

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:55 PM, David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org> wrote:

On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I said: "The Truth will honor the victims".

Yet you continue to lie about the capacity of the crematoria of Auschwitz, and then run away from it the moment I bring actual fact into the picture. It's almost as if you know that you haven't got a leg to stand on factually, except for tub-thumping rhetoric about Galileo, which is why you duck back into it at the first sign of trouble.

To answer your question, one has to assume that one of us is wrong, duped or lying or all of the above. And our beliefs are so far apart that one of us has to be wrong, duped or lying. 

So far so good. Now, I have not once but twice now pointed out that your capacity argument is (a) standard neo-Nazi boilerplate and (b) easily shown to be a false comparison, given how different the Nazis treated bodies than modern funeral crematory services do.

What was your response? To pretend you never heard it. To completely fail to address it.

That sort of thing is really very helpful in determining which of the two of us is lying or duped, don't you think? I've got days and dates on my side -- which is to say, on reality's side -- and all you've got is a bogus argument that even *you* are afraid to defend. Not hard to see who wins that match-up.

Consequently, whoever is the errant party, they are dishonoring or in varying degrees even profiting from all the victims of all the wars and inhumane acts in our histories.
Actually, I think you might want to learn what the word "consequently" means, because that's a logical non sequitur. Not your first, either.

I'm in the camp that says 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust are all linked by 

... three-eyed banjo-playing kumquats from the planet Victor Mature. I have PROOF!

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