[Peace-discuss] Spies of Mississippi: The True Story of the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil Rights Movement

[David Johnson]

More interesting ideas Karen.

I do know that the FBI lobbied to keep Leonard Peltier in prison all of these years.

As far as other issues, other than giving the FBI more power and impunity, I am not certain.

David J.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karen Medina 
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  Interesting that my mentioning of Mississippi's Sovereignty Commission went directly into a discussion of the FBI. In fact, the MSC was very much like Mississippi's own FBI. 


  What I should also mention is that the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission became a very strong lobbying body in Washington D.C. (Imagine it -- the State of Mississippi might have a lot of money), lobbying for segregation. 


  Also imagine the FBI lobbying. // Deep pockets. // Our taxes. // And what issues would be lobbied for and against?   



  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    I learned from Weiner's book on the FBI that in fact J. Edgar Hoover wanted the FBI to be the CIA--to spy foreignly as well as domestically--which it did prior to the establishment of the CIA, which Hoover opposed.  



    On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:01 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:

      See Tim Weiner, "Enemies: A History of the FBI" (2012).


      A companion piece to his "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" (2008)





      On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:


      Yes, the FBI was, and still does, seem like two very different groups. One more CIA-like -- discrediting people, creating lies, torturing people, creating anger and hatred -- the other actually solving some crimes (that their colleagues didn't commit) -- like Blagojevich for instance.


      -karen







      On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:

        Here is an interesting example of the FBI undercover operations in the South during the 1960's ;

        " In one particularly controversial 1965 incident, white civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo was murdered by Ku Klux Klansmen, who gave chase and fired shots into her car after noticing that her passenger was a young black man; one of the Klansmen was Gary Thomas Rowe, an acknowledged FBI informant.[53][54] The FBI spread rumors that Liuzzo was a member of the Communist Party and had abandoned her children to have sexual relationships with African Americans involved in the Civil Rights Movement.[55][56] FBI records show that J. Edgar Hoover personally communicated these insinuations to President Johnson.[57][58] FBI informant Rowe has also been implicated in some of the most violent crimes of the 1960s civil rights era, including attacks on the Freedom Riders and the 1963 Birmingham, Alabama 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.[53] According to Noam Chomsky, in another instance in San Diego, the FBI financed, armed, and controlled an extreme right-wing group of former Minutemen, transforming it into a group called the Secret Army Organization that targeted groups, activists, and leaders involved in the Anti-War Movement, using both intimidation and violent acts ".

        It is almost as if there were TWO FBI's with different policies and priorities, which of course could not be the case, especially with Hoover in charge.

        David Johnson
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Karen Medina 
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          David Johnson wrote: > Was this part of the FBI's cointelpro program ?


          The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission started completely as a state of Mississippi entity. But it lasted over, three possibly four governor's terms. The FBI had nothing to do with it at first. The FBI entered the scene in 1964 when the 3 "Freedom Summer" campaign volunteers disappeared. The FBI was investigating the disappearance -- so they were working on the opposite side from the commission.    


          Later, toward the end of the commission's long life, there were people who were paid by the commission who were also sharing information with the FBI -- the commission was paying police officers who served "the public", the Klan, and the commission. They shared reports.


          At least that is the way I understand it. 


          -karen



              I just enjoyed a book:
              "Spies of Mississippi: The True Story of the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil Rights Movement"
              by Rick Bowers 









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