[Peace-discuss] Islamic State was born in NATO camps
David Johnson via Peace-discuss
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Wed Oct 1 00:33:51 EDT 2014
So what if he works for Venezuelan TV- to me that makes him a LOT more
credible then some so called journalist propaganda stenographer from the
US corporate media.
The UN does NOT operate ALL refugee camps in the world.
You are the one who believes everything you see and hear in the US
corporate media, despite proven facts to the contrary time and time again.
What about those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the yellow cake
uranium bullshit stories ?
I bet you believed every word of it at the time.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you still believe it.
David Johnson
On 9/30/2014 12:01 AM, Roger Helbig wrote:
> and he works for Venezuelan TV - that is probably about as solid a
> source as Iranian PressTV that interviews outright frauds like Leuren
> K Moret - I am sure he has got lots on camera - you can always trick
> the camera - like the Italians who made a big deal out of White
> Phosphorus being used to illuminate the night sky and provide smoke to
> hide maneuvering troops.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com
> <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> why would Chechen be in NATO camps - UN operates "camps", not NATO
> - this sounds like it is pretty poorly researched or just slanted
> to attract the far left that wants to believe and wants to blame
> US/UK NATO for the cause of ISIS.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Islamic State was born in NATO camps
>
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> Andre Vltchek is a novelist, filmmaker and investigative
> journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of
> countries.
>
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> <http://rt.com/op-edge/191620-nato-isis-camps-turkey-syria/>
> Published time: September 29, 2014 20:11
> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
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> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
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> The West and its client states in the Middle East are now
> bombing Islamic State (ISIS) positions in Syria, killing both
> militants and civilians, violating countless international
> laws and treaties.
>
> Oil installations inside Syria are in flames; the West
> /"informed"/ Damascus that the bombing campaign could take
> three years, as if it would be the sole owner of the Middle East.
>
> The fact that it is done with no international endorsement is
> by now not surprising anybody.
>
> There is nothing standing on the way of this campaign; no air
> force is defending Syrian territory, no
> surface-to-air-missiles are fired.
>
> Yet, the US and the UK make no secret that this is not just a
> campaign to debilitate ISIS positions. The US is openly
> declaring alliance with the /"moderate opposition forces"/
> inside Syria, which essentially means those forces that are
> fighting to overthrow the government of President Assad.
>
> Damascus' plea for a broader coalition to fight ISIS is being
> ignored. No wonder -- for years Islamic State (or ISIS) was
> actually an integrated part of the /"opposition movement"/
> supported, trained and financed by the West and its regional
> allies.
>
>
> Hezbollah is already fighting IS
>
> The excuse or justification, for the latest attacks against
> Syria, is simple. British Prime Minister David Cameron told
> lawmakers: /"This is not a threat on the far side of the
> world. Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on
> the shores of the Mediterranean."/
>
> By this, he was perhaps referring to that short Syrian
> Mediterranean coastline dotted with the cities like Latakia
> and Tartus, but also, most likely, to the entire Lebanon,
> which, according to a regional analyst, Michael Jansen,
> /"...is already the third battlefront in the war against the
> Islamic State (IS) and, like embattled Syria and Iraq, it has
> neither the political unity needed, nor the material means to
> fight its battle."/
>
> It is enough to read Daily Security Information Reports by
> UNSIOC in Lebanon to see how serious the situation really is.
> There are incursions from Syrian soil by the militants,
> kidnappings and constant arrests.
>
> But most of the people in the region would definitely disagree
> with both Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron about on whose shoulders
> rests the responsibility for this disastrous state of things.
>
> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Outspoken leader of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah, spelled
> out his take on the situation, in Lebanon, on September 23, 2014:
>
> /"We are against American military intervention and an
> international coalition in Syria, whether that [action] is
> against the Syrian regime or Daesh (ISIS)... Under the false
> pretext of fighting terrorism the U.S. seeks to take control
> of the region..."/
>
> Hezbollah is actually already fighting ISIS, but, despite its
> great popularity in Lebanon and in the region, and its
> inclusiveness and great social projects (or maybe because of
> them), the organization is on the list of terrorist groups, at
> least in the US and in several European countries.
>
> It appears that the West is making sure that Lebanon remains
> defenseless, even as it appears likely that ISIS could soon
> intensify its attacks or to make a decisive dash across the
> border, from Syrian territory. Weapons from France had not
> been delivered yet, partially because France /"worries"/ that
> they could be used against Israel. The US is blocking any
> purchase of Russian weapons by Lebanon (Defense Minister of
> Lebanon, Ms. Nouhad Mashnouk visited Moscow trying to secure
> delivery of Russian-made arms), because of /"the tension
> between the West and Russia over Ukraine."/
>
>
> Region ruined, West controls the game
>
> The situation is extremely complex but what is clear is that
> the West is pressing all the control buttons in the /"game."/
>
> It helped to create and to strengthen /"Syrian opposition,"
> including its most radical elements like Islamic State. The
> goal was to depose President Assad. Now when the ISIS went
> "out of control,"/ and began gaining territory in both Iraq
> and Syria, their brutality and military success are used as
> justification for direct intervention in Syria.
>
> It is becoming clear that no matter what, President Assad
> would never be allowed to win; even if (and perhaps especially
> if) he is supported by the majority of the Syrian people.
>
> As a result of actions taken by the West, both Iraq and Syria
> are now fully destabilized, or more precisely, they are in ruins.
>
> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Lebanon does not even have fully functioning government or
> sound military, and may be swept away by the destructive tide.
>
> The region is now literally flooded with millions of refugees.
>
> And the West is once again pounding the area with Tomahawk
> missiles and bombs. Several pro-Western Arab regimes that are
> co-responsible for the situation in Syria and Iraq - Bahrain,
> Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -
> have joined the /"campaign,"/ by offering their jets. This
> way, there is some illusion of legitimacy - their handlers in
> Washington can trumpet to the world that /"they are not in it
> alone."/
>
> While the /"threat of terrorism"/ and /"danger to the region
> and its people"/ are quoted as the main justifications for the
> military action, there is really very little logic in those
> arguments, and many citizens of the Middle East now simply
> believe that the West is aiming at the overthrowing of the
> government of Syrian President Assad, at creating an
> independent, oil-rich, and pro-Western Kurdish state, and
> possibly even at igniting conflict with neighboring Iran.
>
> It is also understood that things could get resolved without
> the Western bombing campaign; through the channels that the US
> and EU would never use: governments in Damascus and Teheran
> would have to stop being pushed into the corner. In fact,
> Syria and Lebanon would have to be allowed to rearm and to be
> allowed to fight their own enemies. And Iran would have to be
> encouraged to join the fight against the Islamic State (ISIS).
>
> On 21 September 2014, AP reported:/"Syria's parliament speaker
> said Sunday that the US should work with Damascus to battle
> the Islamic State extremist group rather than allying with
> nations which he accused of supporting terrorism. Speaker
> Jihad Laham was apparently referring to Saudi Arabia and other
> countries backing rebels trying to overthrow Syrian President
> Bashar Assad."/
>
> But the West is not aiming at resolving the crises. It is
> pushing and fighting for full domination of the region.
>
> It is playing chess with both white and black pieces. In
> between are tens of millions of people, and entire nations.
> Every move terminates countless lives.
>
> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
>
> Create them, use them, fight them
>
> ISIS did not fall from the sky. They were armed, financed and
> trained in the refugee camps built for /"Syrian refugees,"/ in
> Turkey and Jordan. Both countries are staunch allies of the
> West; Turkey is on top of it a member of NATO.
>
> Several regional reporters, including Turkish investigative
> journalist Huseyin Guler and Ulusal's TV documentary filmmaker
> Serkan Koc, identified the camps as training facilities,
> particularly Apaydin in the vicinity of Hatay, near the
> Turkish border.
>
> The fact that Jordan is offering its territory for purposes of
> /"training the opposition"/ is no secret. Earlier this year I
> worked in two refugee camps near the Jordan-Syrian border: an
> old and overcrowded Zaatari Camp and one new one, which is
> still only partially operational -- Azraq.
>
> From testimonies given to me by both refugees and local
> inhabitants, Zaatari Camp has been used as a training facility
> for /"Syrian opposition fighters,"/ for years. In the area,
> there was a clear presence of both Saudi and Qatari cadres.
>
> The AP reported: /"Jordan is... officially denying that any
> training of anti-Assad fighters takes place on its soil,
> though both Jordanian and American officials have acknowledged
> it does."/
>
> The National, a daily newspaper published in the United Arab
> Emirates, reported on December 28 2013:
>
> /"A command centre in Amman or "operations room" as Syrian
> rebels describe it, gives military advice to the Free Syrian
> Army and channels weapons to them for their fight against
> Bashar Al Assad's regime... Rebels say there is also a
> complex, shadowy system of weapons movement, with diverse,
> sometimes parallel, supply routes. The command centre works
> with the FSA and the Supreme Military Council - the FSA high
> command headed by General Selim Idriss and allied with the
> Syrian National Coalition, the opposition political alliance
> backed by Arab states and the West."/
>
> I investigated the situation on the Turkish-Syrian border, in
> the vicinity of the city of Hatay, on several occasions, for
> both the documentary film I was producing for Venezuelan TV
> channel TeleSur, and for several of my written reports.
>
> The tolerant and multi-cultural city of Hatay has been living
> in fear for years, terrorized by those machinegun-waving
> bearded jihadi cadres who were transplanted there from Saudi
> Arabia and from the rest of the Gulf, in order to train and
> radicalize Syrian /"opposition fighters."/
>
> Apayadin Camp is where many of the ISIS fighters have their
> roots.
>
> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Serkan Koc, who has produced several groundbreaking works on
> the subject of the /"Syrian opposition,"/ explained to me in
> Istanbul:
>
> /"Of course you do realize that those people are not really
> 'Syrian opposition.' They are modern-day legionnaires
> collected from various Arab countries, including Qatar and
> Saudi Arabia, paid by Western imperialist powers. Some are
> members of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Most
> are militant Sunni Muslims. One could describe them as rogue
> elements hired to fight the Assad government."/
>
> Some of those legionnaires, including those who belong to
> Islamic State (ISIS) had mutated and began wearing several
> hats (President Assad was warning for months that they would).
> They are still after President Assad whom they mainly hate for
> being secular, and for belonging to the Alawite sect, which is
> considered to be heretical in some Sunni Muslim circles,
> especially in the most radical ones. But now they are also
> after non-Muslims and non-Arabs, even after the interests of
> those who actually helped them to come to life -- the West.
>
> All this is not unlike how al-Qaida was born. It mutated from
> Western-trained and financed Mujahedeen that were first
> involved in the fighting against the Democratic Republic of
> Afghanistan (DRA) and later the Soviet Union.
>
> The West is historically using, even grooming, the most
> horrendous allies, be it Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the
> military and religious cadres in 1965 Indonesia, fascist
> military in Chile, Paraguay and Argentina, or present-day
> Ukrainian fascists crews.
>
> /"Syrian opposition"/ is just one of the latest editions. It
> is clear who is benefiting: the military and political
> establishment of the West, which supplies the weapons,
> destabilizes countries, even entire regions, and tries to
> establish full control over the world.
>
> Then, if and when the situation changes and a former client's
> movements go gaga, there is always another use for them: they
> can serve as a justification for direct invasions and further
> militarization of the regions and the entire planet.
>
> First you create them, then you use them, and in the end you
> fight them.
>
> /"The only victims"/ are millions of people who are dying and
> becoming internally displaced in the regions destroyed by
> these brutal imperialist games.
>
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