[Peace-discuss] Islamic State was born in NATO camps
David Johnson via Peace-discuss
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Wed Oct 1 00:39:29 EDT 2014
In the words of Martin Luther King - More true today than it was in 1967
"
Martin Luther King Jr.
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"I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the
oppressed, without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor
of violence in the world today -- my own government."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.
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On 9/29/2014 11:57 PM, Roger Helbig wrote:
> why would Chechen be in NATO camps - UN operates "camps", not NATO -
> this sounds like it is pretty poorly researched or just slanted to
> attract the far left that wants to believe and wants to blame US/UK
> NATO for the cause of ISIS.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Islamic State was born in NATO camps
>
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> Andre Vltchek is a novelist, filmmaker and investigative
> journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries.
>
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> <http://rt.com/op-edge/191620-nato-isis-camps-turkey-syria/>
> Published time: September 29, 2014 20:11
> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
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> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
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> The West and its client states in the Middle East are now bombing
> Islamic State (ISIS) positions in Syria, killing both militants
> and civilians, violating countless international laws and treaties.
>
> Oil installations inside Syria are in flames; the West
> /"informed"/ Damascus that the bombing campaign could take three
> years, as if it would be the sole owner of the Middle East.
>
> The fact that it is done with no international endorsement is by
> now not surprising anybody.
>
> There is nothing standing on the way of this campaign; no air
> force is defending Syrian territory, no surface-to-air-missiles
> are fired.
>
> Yet, the US and the UK make no secret that this is not just a
> campaign to debilitate ISIS positions. The US is openly declaring
> alliance with the /"moderate opposition forces"/ inside Syria,
> which essentially means those forces that are fighting to
> overthrow the government of President Assad.
>
> Damascus' plea for a broader coalition to fight ISIS is being
> ignored. No wonder -- for years Islamic State (or ISIS) was
> actually an integrated part of the /"opposition movement"/
> supported, trained and financed by the West and its regional allies.
>
>
> Hezbollah is already fighting IS
>
> The excuse or justification, for the latest attacks against Syria,
> is simple. British Prime Minister David Cameron told lawmakers:
> /"This is not a threat on the far side of the world. Left
> unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on the shores of the
> Mediterranean."/
>
> By this, he was perhaps referring to that short Syrian
> Mediterranean coastline dotted with the cities like Latakia and
> Tartus, but also, most likely, to the entire Lebanon, which,
> according to a regional analyst, Michael Jansen, /"...is already
> the third battlefront in the war against the Islamic State (IS)
> and, like embattled Syria and Iraq, it has neither the political
> unity needed, nor the material means to fight its battle."/
>
> It is enough to read Daily Security Information Reports by UNSIOC
> in Lebanon to see how serious the situation really is. There are
> incursions from Syrian soil by the militants, kidnappings and
> constant arrests.
>
> But most of the people in the region would definitely disagree
> with both Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron about on whose shoulders rests
> the responsibility for this disastrous state of things.
>
> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Outspoken leader of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah, spelled out
> his take on the situation, in Lebanon, on September 23, 2014:
>
> /"We are against American military intervention and an
> international coalition in Syria, whether that [action] is against
> the Syrian regime or Daesh (ISIS)... Under the false pretext of
> fighting terrorism the U.S. seeks to take control of the region..."/
>
> Hezbollah is actually already fighting ISIS, but, despite its
> great popularity in Lebanon and in the region, and its
> inclusiveness and great social projects (or maybe because of
> them), the organization is on the list of terrorist groups, at
> least in the US and in several European countries.
>
> It appears that the West is making sure that Lebanon remains
> defenseless, even as it appears likely that ISIS could soon
> intensify its attacks or to make a decisive dash across the
> border, from Syrian territory. Weapons from France had not been
> delivered yet, partially because France /"worries"/ that they
> could be used against Israel. The US is blocking any purchase of
> Russian weapons by Lebanon (Defense Minister of Lebanon, Ms.
> Nouhad Mashnouk visited Moscow trying to secure delivery of
> Russian-made arms), because of /"the tension between the West and
> Russia over Ukraine."/
>
>
> Region ruined, West controls the game
>
> The situation is extremely complex but what is clear is that the
> West is pressing all the control buttons in the /"game."/
>
> It helped to create and to strengthen /"Syrian opposition,"
> including its most radical elements like Islamic State. The goal
> was to depose President Assad. Now when the ISIS went "out of
> control,"/ and began gaining territory in both Iraq and Syria,
> their brutality and military success are used as justification for
> direct intervention in Syria.
>
> It is becoming clear that no matter what, President Assad would
> never be allowed to win; even if (and perhaps especially if) he is
> supported by the majority of the Syrian people.
>
> As a result of actions taken by the West, both Iraq and Syria are
> now fully destabilized, or more precisely, they are in ruins.
>
> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Lebanon does not even have fully functioning government or sound
> military, and may be swept away by the destructive tide.
>
> The region is now literally flooded with millions of refugees.
>
> And the West is once again pounding the area with Tomahawk
> missiles and bombs. Several pro-Western Arab regimes that are
> co-responsible for the situation in Syria and Iraq - Bahrain,
> Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates - have
> joined the /"campaign,"/ by offering their jets. This way, there
> is some illusion of legitimacy - their handlers in Washington can
> trumpet to the world that /"they are not in it alone."/
>
> While the /"threat of terrorism"/ and /"danger to the region and
> its people"/ are quoted as the main justifications for the
> military action, there is really very little logic in those
> arguments, and many citizens of the Middle East now simply believe
> that the West is aiming at the overthrowing of the government of
> Syrian President Assad, at creating an independent, oil-rich, and
> pro-Western Kurdish state, and possibly even at igniting conflict
> with neighboring Iran.
>
> It is also understood that things could get resolved without the
> Western bombing campaign; through the channels that the US and EU
> would never use: governments in Damascus and Teheran would have to
> stop being pushed into the corner. In fact, Syria and Lebanon
> would have to be allowed to rearm and to be allowed to fight their
> own enemies. And Iran would have to be encouraged to join the
> fight against the Islamic State (ISIS).
>
> On 21 September 2014, AP reported:/"Syria's parliament speaker
> said Sunday that the US should work with Damascus to battle the
> Islamic State extremist group rather than allying with nations
> which he accused of supporting terrorism. Speaker Jihad Laham was
> apparently referring to Saudi Arabia and other countries backing
> rebels trying to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad."/
>
> But the West is not aiming at resolving the crises. It is pushing
> and fighting for full domination of the region.
>
> It is playing chess with both white and black pieces. In between
> are tens of millions of people, and entire nations. Every move
> terminates countless lives.
>
> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
>
> Create them, use them, fight them
>
> ISIS did not fall from the sky. They were armed, financed and
> trained in the refugee camps built for /"Syrian refugees,"/ in
> Turkey and Jordan. Both countries are staunch allies of the West;
> Turkey is on top of it a member of NATO.
>
> Several regional reporters, including Turkish investigative
> journalist Huseyin Guler and Ulusal's TV documentary filmmaker
> Serkan Koc, identified the camps as training facilities,
> particularly Apaydin in the vicinity of Hatay, near the Turkish
> border.
>
> The fact that Jordan is offering its territory for purposes of
> /"training the opposition"/ is no secret. Earlier this year I
> worked in two refugee camps near the Jordan-Syrian border: an old
> and overcrowded Zaatari Camp and one new one, which is still only
> partially operational -- Azraq.
>
> From testimonies given to me by both refugees and local
> inhabitants, Zaatari Camp has been used as a training facility for
> /"Syrian opposition fighters,"/ for years. In the area, there was
> a clear presence of both Saudi and Qatari cadres.
>
> The AP reported: /"Jordan is... officially denying that any
> training of anti-Assad fighters takes place on its soil, though
> both Jordanian and American officials have acknowledged it does."/
>
> The National, a daily newspaper published in the United Arab
> Emirates, reported on December 28 2013:
>
> /"A command centre in Amman or "operations room" as Syrian rebels
> describe it, gives military advice to the Free Syrian Army and
> channels weapons to them for their fight against Bashar Al Assad's
> regime... Rebels say there is also a complex, shadowy system of
> weapons movement, with diverse, sometimes parallel, supply routes.
> The command centre works with the FSA and the Supreme Military
> Council - the FSA high command headed by General Selim Idriss and
> allied with the Syrian National Coalition, the opposition
> political alliance backed by Arab states and the West."/
>
> I investigated the situation on the Turkish-Syrian border, in the
> vicinity of the city of Hatay, on several occasions, for both the
> documentary film I was producing for Venezuelan TV channel
> TeleSur, and for several of my written reports.
>
> The tolerant and multi-cultural city of Hatay has been living in
> fear for years, terrorized by those machinegun-waving bearded
> jihadi cadres who were transplanted there from Saudi Arabia and
> from the rest of the Gulf, in order to train and radicalize Syrian
> /"opposition fighters."/
>
> Apayadin Camp is where many of the ISIS fighters have their roots.
>
> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>
> Serkan Koc, who has produced several groundbreaking works on the
> subject of the /"Syrian opposition,"/ explained to me in Istanbul:
>
> /"Of course you do realize that those people are not really
> 'Syrian opposition.' They are modern-day legionnaires collected
> from various Arab countries, including Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
> paid by Western imperialist powers. Some are members of Al-Qaeda
> and other terrorist organizations. Most are militant Sunni
> Muslims. One could describe them as rogue elements hired to fight
> the Assad government."/
>
> Some of those legionnaires, including those who belong to Islamic
> State (ISIS) had mutated and began wearing several hats (President
> Assad was warning for months that they would). They are still
> after President Assad whom they mainly hate for being secular, and
> for belonging to the Alawite sect, which is considered to be
> heretical in some Sunni Muslim circles, especially in the most
> radical ones. But now they are also after non-Muslims and
> non-Arabs, even after the interests of those who actually helped
> them to come to life -- the West.
>
> All this is not unlike how al-Qaida was born. It mutated from
> Western-trained and financed Mujahedeen that were first involved
> in the fighting against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
> (DRA) and later the Soviet Union.
>
> The West is historically using, even grooming, the most horrendous
> allies, be it Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the military and
> religious cadres in 1965 Indonesia, fascist military in Chile,
> Paraguay and Argentina, or present-day Ukrainian fascists crews.
>
> /"Syrian opposition"/ is just one of the latest editions. It is
> clear who is benefiting: the military and political establishment
> of the West, which supplies the weapons, destabilizes countries,
> even entire regions, and tries to establish full control over the
> world.
>
> Then, if and when the situation changes and a former client's
> movements go gaga, there is always another use for them: they can
> serve as a justification for direct invasions and further
> militarization of the regions and the entire planet.
>
> First you create them, then you use them, and in the end you fight
> them.
>
> /"The only victims"/ are millions of people who are dying and
> becoming internally displaced in the regions destroyed by these
> brutal imperialist games.
>
>
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