[Peace-discuss] Islamic State was born in NATO camps
E. W. Johnson via Peace-discuss
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Wed Oct 1 00:46:02 EDT 2014
PressTV is not such a bad outfit.
Actually it seems more credible than Fox or CNN.
There ain't no sech thing as Unbiased Reporting.
On 10/01/2014 12:33 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
> So what if he works for Venezuelan TV- to me that makes him a LOT more
> credible then some so called journalist propaganda stenographer from
> the US corporate media.
> The UN does NOT operate ALL refugee camps in the world.
> You are the one who believes everything you see and hear in the US
> corporate media, despite proven facts to the contrary time and time again.
> What about those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the yellow
> cake uranium bullshit stories ?
> I bet you believed every word of it at the time.
> Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you still believe it.
>
> David Johnson
>
>
> On 9/30/2014 12:01 AM, Roger Helbig wrote:
>> and he works for Venezuelan TV - that is probably about as solid a
>> source as Iranian PressTV that interviews outright frauds like Leuren
>> K Moret - I am sure he has got lots on camera - you can always trick
>> the camera - like the Italians who made a big deal out of White
>> Phosphorus being used to illuminate the night sky and provide smoke
>> to hide maneuvering troops.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> why would Chechen be in NATO camps - UN operates "camps", not
>> NATO - this sounds like it is pretty poorly researched or just
>> slanted to attract the far left that wants to believe and wants
>> to blame US/UK NATO for the cause of ISIS.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Islamic State was born in NATO camps
>>
>> <http://rt.com/op-edge/authors/andre-vltchek/>
>>
>> Andre Vltchek is a novelist, filmmaker and investigative
>> journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of
>> countries.
>>
>> Get short URL
>> <http://rt.com/op-edge/191620-nato-isis-camps-turkey-syria/>
>> Published time: September 29, 2014 20:11
>> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
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>> The West and its client states in the Middle East are now
>> bombing Islamic State (ISIS) positions in Syria, killing both
>> militants and civilians, violating countless international
>> laws and treaties.
>>
>> Oil installations inside Syria are in flames; the West
>> /“informed”/ Damascus that the bombing campaign could take
>> three years, as if it would be the sole owner of the Middle
>> East.
>>
>> The fact that it is done with no international endorsement is
>> by now not surprising anybody.
>>
>> There is nothing standing on the way of this campaign; no air
>> force is defending Syrian territory, no
>> surface-to-air-missiles are fired.
>>
>> Yet, the US and the UK make no secret that this is not just a
>> campaign to debilitate ISIS positions. The US is openly
>> declaring alliance with the /“moderate opposition forces”/
>> inside Syria, which essentially means those forces that are
>> fighting to overthrow the government of President Assad.
>>
>> Damascus’ plea for a broader coalition to fight ISIS is being
>> ignored. No wonder – for years Islamic State (or ISIS) was
>> actually an integrated part of the /“opposition movement”/
>> supported, trained and financed by the West and its regional
>> allies.
>>
>>
>> Hezbollah is already fighting IS
>>
>> The excuse or justification, for the latest attacks against
>> Syria, is simple. British Prime Minister David Cameron told
>> lawmakers: /"This is not a threat on the far side of the
>> world. Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on
>> the shores of the Mediterranean."/
>>
>> By this, he was perhaps referring to that short Syrian
>> Mediterranean coastline dotted with the cities like Latakia
>> and Tartus, but also, most likely, to the entire Lebanon,
>> which, according to a regional analyst, Michael Jansen,
>> /“...is already the third battlefront in the war against the
>> Islamic State (IS) and, like embattled Syria and Iraq, it has
>> neither the political unity needed, nor the material means to
>> fight its battle.”/
>>
>> It is enough to read Daily Security Information Reports by
>> UNSIOC in Lebanon to see how serious the situation really is.
>> There are incursions from Syrian soil by the militants,
>> kidnappings and constant arrests.
>>
>> But most of the people in the region would definitely
>> disagree with both Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron about on whose
>> shoulders rests the responsibility for this disastrous state
>> of things.
>>
>> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Outspoken leader of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah,
>> spelled out his take on the situation, in Lebanon, on
>> September 23, 2014:
>>
>> /“We are against American military intervention and an
>> international coalition in Syria, whether that [action] is
>> against the Syrian regime or Daesh (ISIS)... Under the false
>> pretext of fighting terrorism the U.S. seeks to take control
>> of the region...”/
>>
>> Hezbollah is actually already fighting ISIS, but, despite its
>> great popularity in Lebanon and in the region, and its
>> inclusiveness and great social projects (or maybe because of
>> them), the organization is on the list of terrorist groups,
>> at least in the US and in several European countries.
>>
>> It appears that the West is making sure that Lebanon remains
>> defenseless, even as it appears likely that ISIS could soon
>> intensify its attacks or to make a decisive dash across the
>> border, from Syrian territory. Weapons from France had not
>> been delivered yet, partially because France /“worries”/ that
>> they could be used against Israel. The US is blocking any
>> purchase of Russian weapons by Lebanon (Defense Minister of
>> Lebanon, Ms. Nouhad Mashnouk visited Moscow trying to secure
>> delivery of Russian-made arms), because of /“the tension
>> between the West and Russia over Ukraine.”/
>>
>>
>> Region ruined, West controls the game
>>
>> The situation is extremely complex but what is clear is that
>> the West is pressing all the control buttons in the /“game.”/
>>
>> It helped to create and to strengthen /“Syrian opposition,”
>> including its most radical elements like Islamic State. The
>> goal was to depose President Assad. Now when the ISIS went
>> “out of control,”/ and began gaining territory in both Iraq
>> and Syria, their brutality and military success are used as
>> justification for direct intervention in Syria.
>>
>> It is becoming clear that no matter what, President Assad
>> would never be allowed to win; even if (and perhaps
>> especially if) he is supported by the majority of the Syrian
>> people.
>>
>> As a result of actions taken by the West, both Iraq and Syria
>> are now fully destabilized, or more precisely, they are in
>> ruins.
>>
>> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Lebanon does not even have fully functioning government or
>> sound military, and may be swept away by the destructive tide.
>>
>> The region is now literally flooded with millions of refugees.
>>
>> And the West is once again pounding the area with Tomahawk
>> missiles and bombs. Several pro-Western Arab regimes that are
>> co-responsible for the situation in Syria and Iraq - Bahrain,
>> Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -
>> have joined the /“campaign,”/ by offering their jets. This
>> way, there is some illusion of legitimacy - their handlers in
>> Washington can trumpet to the world that /“they are not in it
>> alone.”/
>>
>> While the /“threat of terrorism”/ and /“danger to the region
>> and its people”/ are quoted as the main justifications for
>> the military action, there is really very little logic in
>> those arguments, and many citizens of the Middle East now
>> simply believe that the West is aiming at the overthrowing of
>> the government of Syrian President Assad, at creating an
>> independent, oil-rich, and pro-Western Kurdish state, and
>> possibly even at igniting conflict with neighboring Iran.
>>
>> It is also understood that things could get resolved without
>> the Western bombing campaign; through the channels that the
>> US and EU would never use: governments in Damascus and
>> Teheran would have to stop being pushed into the corner. In
>> fact, Syria and Lebanon would have to be allowed to rearm and
>> to be allowed to fight their own enemies. And Iran would have
>> to be encouraged to join the fight against the Islamic State
>> (ISIS).
>>
>> On 21 September 2014, AP reported:/“Syria's parliament
>> speaker said Sunday that the US should work with Damascus to
>> battle the Islamic State extremist group rather than allying
>> with nations which he accused of supporting terrorism.
>> Speaker Jihad Laham was apparently referring to Saudi Arabia
>> and other countries backing rebels trying to overthrow Syrian
>> President Bashar Assad.”/
>>
>> But the West is not aiming at resolving the crises. It is
>> pushing and fighting for full domination of the region.
>>
>> It is playing chess with both white and black pieces. In
>> between are tens of millions of people, and entire nations.
>> Every move terminates countless lives.
>>
>> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre
>> Vltchek)
>>
>> Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>
>> Create them, use them, fight them
>>
>> ISIS did not fall from the sky. They were armed, financed and
>> trained in the refugee camps built for /“Syrian refugees,”/
>> in Turkey and Jordan. Both countries are staunch allies of
>> the West; Turkey is on top of it a member of NATO.
>>
>> Several regional reporters, including Turkish investigative
>> journalist Huseyin Guler and Ulusal’s TV documentary
>> filmmaker Serkan Koc, identified the camps as training
>> facilities, particularly Apaydin in the vicinity of Hatay,
>> near the Turkish border.
>>
>> The fact that Jordan is offering its territory for purposes
>> of /“training the opposition”/ is no secret. Earlier this
>> year I worked in two refugee camps near the Jordan-Syrian
>> border: an old and overcrowded Zaatari Camp and one new one,
>> which is still only partially operational – Azraq.
>>
>> From testimonies given to me by both refugees and local
>> inhabitants, Zaatari Camp has been used as a training
>> facility for /“Syrian opposition fighters,”/ for years. In
>> the area, there was a clear presence of both Saudi and Qatari
>> cadres.
>>
>> The AP reported: /“Jordan is… officially denying that any
>> training of anti-Assad fighters takes place on its soil,
>> though both Jordanian and American officials have
>> acknowledged it does.”/
>>
>> The National, a daily newspaper published in the United Arab
>> Emirates, reported on December 28 2013:
>>
>> /“A command centre in Amman or "operations room" as Syrian
>> rebels describe it, gives military advice to the Free Syrian
>> Army and channels weapons to them for their fight against
>> Bashar Al Assad's regime… Rebels say there is also a complex,
>> shadowy system of weapons movement, with diverse, sometimes
>> parallel, supply routes. The command centre works with the
>> FSA and the Supreme Military Council - the FSA high command
>> headed by General Selim Idriss and allied with the Syrian
>> National Coalition, the opposition political alliance backed
>> by Arab states and the West.”/
>>
>> I investigated the situation on the Turkish-Syrian border, in
>> the vicinity of the city of Hatay, on several occasions, for
>> both the documentary film I was producing for Venezuelan TV
>> channel TeleSur, and for several of my written reports.
>>
>> The tolerant and multi-cultural city of Hatay has been living
>> in fear for years, terrorized by those machinegun-waving
>> bearded jihadi cadres who were transplanted there from Saudi
>> Arabia and from the rest of the Gulf, in order to train and
>> radicalize Syrian /“opposition fighters.”/
>>
>> Apayadin Camp is where many of the ISIS fighters have their
>> roots.
>>
>> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>> Serkan Koc, who has produced several groundbreaking works on
>> the subject of the /“Syrian opposition,”/ explained to me in
>> Istanbul:
>>
>> /“Of course you do realize that those people are not really
>> ‘Syrian opposition.’ They are modern-day legionnaires
>> collected from various Arab countries, including Qatar and
>> Saudi Arabia, paid by Western imperialist powers. Some are
>> members of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Most
>> are militant Sunni Muslims. One could describe them as rogue
>> elements hired to fight the Assad government.”/
>>
>> Some of those legionnaires, including those who belong to
>> Islamic State (ISIS) had mutated and began wearing several
>> hats (President Assad was warning for months that they
>> would). They are still after President Assad whom they mainly
>> hate for being secular, and for belonging to the Alawite
>> sect, which is considered to be heretical in some Sunni
>> Muslim circles, especially in the most radical ones. But now
>> they are also after non-Muslims and non-Arabs, even after the
>> interests of those who actually helped them to come to life –
>> the West.
>>
>> All this is not unlike how al-Qaida was born. It mutated from
>> Western-trained and financed Mujahedeen that were first
>> involved in the fighting against the Democratic Republic of
>> Afghanistan (DRA) and later the Soviet Union.
>>
>> The West is historically using, even grooming, the most
>> horrendous allies, be it Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the
>> military and religious cadres in 1965 Indonesia, fascist
>> military in Chile, Paraguay and Argentina, or present-day
>> Ukrainian fascists crews.
>>
>> /“Syrian opposition”/ is just one of the latest editions. It
>> is clear who is benefiting: the military and political
>> establishment of the West, which supplies the weapons,
>> destabilizes countries, even entire regions, and tries to
>> establish full control over the world.
>>
>> Then, if and when the situation changes and a former client’s
>> movements go gaga, there is always another use for them: they
>> can serve as a justification for direct invasions and further
>> militarization of the regions and the entire planet.
>>
>> First you create them, then you use them, and in the end you
>> fight them.
>>
>> /“The only victims”/ are millions of people who are dying and
>> becoming internally displaced in the regions destroyed by
>> these brutal imperialist games.
>>
>>
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