[Peace-discuss] Islamic State was born in NATO camps

E. W. Johnson via Peace-discuss peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Wed Oct 1 00:46:02 EDT 2014


PressTV is not such a bad outfit.

Actually it seems more credible than Fox or CNN.

There ain't no sech thing as Unbiased Reporting.

On 10/01/2014 12:33 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:
> So what if he works for Venezuelan TV- to me that makes him a LOT more 
> credible then some so called journalist propaganda stenographer from 
> the US corporate media.
> The UN does NOT operate ALL refugee camps in the world.
> You are the one who believes everything you see and hear in the US 
> corporate media, despite proven facts to the contrary time and time again.
> What about those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the yellow 
> cake uranium bullshit stories ?
> I bet you believed every word of it at the time.
> Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you still believe it.
>
> David Johnson
>
>
> On 9/30/2014 12:01 AM, Roger Helbig wrote:
>> and he works for Venezuelan TV - that is probably about as solid a 
>> source as Iranian PressTV that interviews outright frauds like Leuren 
>> K Moret - I am sure he has got lots on camera - you can always trick 
>> the camera - like the Italians who made a big deal out of White 
>> Phosphorus being used to illuminate the night sky and provide smoke 
>> to hide maneuvering troops.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     why would Chechen be in NATO camps - UN operates "camps", not
>>     NATO - this sounds like it is pretty poorly researched or just
>>     slanted to attract the far left that wants to believe and wants
>>     to blame US/UK NATO for the cause of ISIS.
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss
>>     <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>           Islamic State was born in NATO camps
>>
>>         <http://rt.com/op-edge/authors/andre-vltchek/>
>>
>>         Andre Vltchek is a novelist, filmmaker and investigative
>>         journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of
>>         countries.
>>
>>         Get short URL
>>         <http://rt.com/op-edge/191620-nato-isis-camps-turkey-syria/>
>>         Published time: September 29, 2014 20:11
>>         Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Entrance to Apaydin camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
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>>         USA <http://rt.com/tags/usa/>, Violence
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>>         The West and its client states in the Middle East are now
>>         bombing Islamic State (ISIS) positions in Syria, killing both
>>         militants and civilians, violating countless international
>>         laws and treaties.
>>
>>         Oil installations inside Syria are in flames; the West
>>         /“informed”/ Damascus that the bombing campaign could take
>>         three years, as if it would be the sole owner of the Middle
>>         East.
>>
>>         The fact that it is done with no international endorsement is
>>         by now not surprising anybody.
>>
>>         There is nothing standing on the way of this campaign; no air
>>         force is defending Syrian territory, no
>>         surface-to-air-missiles are fired.
>>
>>         Yet, the US and the UK make no secret that this is not just a
>>         campaign to debilitate ISIS positions. The US is openly
>>         declaring alliance with the /“moderate opposition forces”/
>>         inside Syria, which essentially means those forces that are
>>         fighting to overthrow the government of President Assad.
>>
>>         Damascus’ plea for a broader coalition to fight ISIS is being
>>         ignored. No wonder – for years Islamic State (or ISIS) was
>>         actually an integrated part of the /“opposition movement”/
>>         supported, trained and financed by the West and its regional
>>         allies.
>>
>>
>>             Hezbollah is already fighting IS
>>
>>         The excuse or justification, for the latest attacks against
>>         Syria, is simple. British Prime Minister David Cameron told
>>         lawmakers: /"This is not a threat on the far side of the
>>         world. Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on
>>         the shores of the Mediterranean."/
>>
>>         By this, he was perhaps referring to that short Syrian
>>         Mediterranean coastline dotted with the cities like Latakia
>>         and Tartus, but also, most likely, to the entire Lebanon,
>>         which, according to a regional analyst, Michael Jansen,
>>         /“...is already the third battlefront in the war against the
>>         Islamic State (IS) and, like embattled Syria and Iraq, it has
>>         neither the political unity needed, nor the material means to
>>         fight its battle.”/
>>
>>         It is enough to read Daily Security Information Reports by
>>         UNSIOC in Lebanon to see how serious the situation really is.
>>         There are incursions from Syrian soil by the militants,
>>         kidnappings and constant arrests.
>>
>>         But most of the people in the region would definitely
>>         disagree with both Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron about on whose
>>         shoulders rests the responsibility for this disastrous state
>>         of things.
>>
>>         Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Outspoken leader of Hezbollah, Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah,
>>         spelled out his take on the situation, in Lebanon, on
>>         September 23, 2014:
>>
>>         /“We are against American military intervention and an
>>         international coalition in Syria, whether that [action] is
>>         against the Syrian regime or Daesh (ISIS)... Under the false
>>         pretext of fighting terrorism the U.S. seeks to take control
>>         of the region...”/
>>
>>         Hezbollah is actually already fighting ISIS, but, despite its
>>         great popularity in Lebanon and in the region, and its
>>         inclusiveness and great social projects (or maybe because of
>>         them), the organization is on the list of terrorist groups,
>>         at least in the US and in several European countries.
>>
>>         It appears that the West is making sure that Lebanon remains
>>         defenseless, even as it appears likely that ISIS could soon
>>         intensify its attacks or to make a decisive dash across the
>>         border, from Syrian territory. Weapons from France had not
>>         been delivered yet, partially because France /“worries”/ that
>>         they could be used against Israel. The US is blocking any
>>         purchase of Russian weapons by Lebanon (Defense Minister of
>>         Lebanon, Ms. Nouhad Mashnouk visited Moscow trying to secure
>>         delivery of Russian-made arms), because of /“the tension
>>         between the West and Russia over Ukraine.”/
>>
>>
>>             Region ruined, West controls the game
>>
>>         The situation is extremely complex but what is clear is that
>>         the West is pressing all the control buttons in the /“game.”/
>>
>>         It helped to create and to strengthen /“Syrian opposition,”
>>         including its most radical elements like Islamic State. The
>>         goal was to depose President Assad. Now when the ISIS went
>>         “out of control,”/ and began gaining territory in both Iraq
>>         and Syria, their brutality and military success are used as
>>         justification for direct intervention in Syria.
>>
>>         It is becoming clear that no matter what, President Assad
>>         would never be allowed to win; even if (and perhaps
>>         especially if) he is supported by the majority of the Syrian
>>         people.
>>
>>         As a result of actions taken by the West, both Iraq and Syria
>>         are now fully destabilized, or more precisely, they are in
>>         ruins.
>>
>>         Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Lebanon does not even have fully functioning government or
>>         sound military, and may be swept away by the destructive tide.
>>
>>         The region is now literally flooded with millions of refugees.
>>
>>         And the West is once again pounding the area with Tomahawk
>>         missiles and bombs. Several pro-Western Arab regimes that are
>>         co-responsible for the situation in Syria and Iraq - Bahrain,
>>         Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -
>>         have joined the /“campaign,”/ by offering their jets. This
>>         way, there is some illusion of legitimacy - their handlers in
>>         Washington can trumpet to the world that /“they are not in it
>>         alone.”/
>>
>>         While the /“threat of terrorism”/ and /“danger to the region
>>         and its people”/ are quoted as the main justifications for
>>         the military action, there is really very little logic in
>>         those arguments, and many citizens of the Middle East now
>>         simply believe that the West is aiming at the overthrowing of
>>         the government of Syrian President Assad, at creating an
>>         independent, oil-rich, and pro-Western Kurdish state, and
>>         possibly even at igniting conflict with neighboring Iran.
>>
>>         It is also understood that things could get resolved without
>>         the Western bombing campaign; through the channels that the
>>         US and EU would never use: governments in Damascus and
>>         Teheran would have to stop being pushed into the corner. In
>>         fact, Syria and Lebanon would have to be allowed to rearm and
>>         to be allowed to fight their own enemies. And Iran would have
>>         to be encouraged to join the fight against the Islamic State
>>         (ISIS).
>>
>>         On 21 September 2014, AP reported:/“Syria's parliament
>>         speaker said Sunday that the US should work with Damascus to
>>         battle the Islamic State extremist group rather than allying
>>         with nations which he accused of supporting terrorism.
>>         Speaker Jihad Laham was apparently referring to Saudi Arabia
>>         and other countries backing rebels trying to overthrow Syrian
>>         President Bashar Assad.”/
>>
>>         But the West is not aiming at resolving the crises. It is
>>         pushing and fighting for full domination of the region.
>>
>>         It is playing chess with both white and black pieces. In
>>         between are tens of millions of people, and entire nations.
>>         Every move terminates countless lives.
>>
>>         Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre
>>         Vltchek)
>>
>>         Barricaded government building in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>
>>             Create them, use them, fight them
>>
>>         ISIS did not fall from the sky. They were armed, financed and
>>         trained in the refugee camps built for /“Syrian refugees,”/
>>         in Turkey and Jordan. Both countries are staunch allies of
>>         the West; Turkey is on top of it a member of NATO.
>>
>>         Several regional reporters, including Turkish investigative
>>         journalist Huseyin Guler and Ulusal’s TV documentary
>>         filmmaker Serkan Koc, identified the camps as training
>>         facilities, particularly Apaydin in the vicinity of Hatay,
>>         near the Turkish border.
>>
>>         The fact that Jordan is offering its territory for purposes
>>         of /“training the opposition”/ is no secret. Earlier this
>>         year I worked in two refugee camps near the Jordan-Syrian
>>         border: an old and overcrowded Zaatari Camp and one new one,
>>         which is still only partially operational – Azraq.
>>
>>         From testimonies given to me by both refugees and local
>>         inhabitants, Zaatari Camp has been used as a training
>>         facility for /“Syrian opposition fighters,”/ for years. In
>>         the area, there was a clear presence of both Saudi and Qatari
>>         cadres.
>>
>>         The AP reported: /“Jordan is… officially denying that any
>>         training of anti-Assad fighters takes place on its soil,
>>         though both Jordanian and American officials have
>>         acknowledged it does.”/
>>
>>         The National, a daily newspaper published in the United Arab
>>         Emirates, reported on December 28 2013:
>>
>>         /“A command centre in Amman or "operations room" as Syrian
>>         rebels describe it, gives military advice to the Free Syrian
>>         Army and channels weapons to them for their fight against
>>         Bashar Al Assad's regime… Rebels say there is also a complex,
>>         shadowy system of weapons movement, with diverse, sometimes
>>         parallel, supply routes. The command centre works with the
>>         FSA and the Supreme Military Council - the FSA high command
>>         headed by General Selim Idriss and allied with the Syrian
>>         National Coalition, the opposition political alliance backed
>>         by Arab states and the West.”/
>>
>>         I investigated the situation on the Turkish-Syrian border, in
>>         the vicinity of the city of Hatay, on several occasions, for
>>         both the documentary film I was producing for Venezuelan TV
>>         channel TeleSur, and for several of my written reports.
>>
>>         The tolerant and multi-cultural city of Hatay has been living
>>         in fear for years, terrorized by those machinegun-waving
>>         bearded jihadi cadres who were transplanted there from Saudi
>>         Arabia and from the rest of the Gulf, in order to train and
>>         radicalize Syrian /“opposition fighters.”/
>>
>>         Apayadin Camp is where many of the ISIS fighters have their
>>         roots.
>>
>>         Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Entrance to Incirlik base near Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)
>>
>>         Serkan Koc, who has produced several groundbreaking works on
>>         the subject of the /“Syrian opposition,”/ explained to me in
>>         Istanbul:
>>
>>         /“Of course you do realize that those people are not really
>>         ‘Syrian opposition.’ They are modern-day legionnaires
>>         collected from various Arab countries, including Qatar and
>>         Saudi Arabia, paid by Western imperialist powers. Some are
>>         members of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Most
>>         are militant Sunni Muslims. One could describe them as rogue
>>         elements hired to fight the Assad government.”/
>>
>>         Some of those legionnaires, including those who belong to
>>         Islamic State (ISIS) had mutated and began wearing several
>>         hats (President Assad was warning for months that they
>>         would). They are still after President Assad whom they mainly
>>         hate for being secular, and for belonging to the Alawite
>>         sect, which is considered to be heretical in some Sunni
>>         Muslim circles, especially in the most radical ones. But now
>>         they are also after non-Muslims and non-Arabs, even after the
>>         interests of those who actually helped them to come to life –
>>         the West.
>>
>>         All this is not unlike how al-Qaida was born. It mutated from
>>         Western-trained and financed Mujahedeen that were first
>>         involved in the fighting against the Democratic Republic of
>>         Afghanistan (DRA) and later the Soviet Union.
>>
>>         The West is historically using, even grooming, the most
>>         horrendous allies, be it Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the
>>         military and religious cadres in 1965 Indonesia, fascist
>>         military in Chile, Paraguay and Argentina, or present-day
>>         Ukrainian fascists crews.
>>
>>         /“Syrian opposition”/ is just one of the latest editions. It
>>         is clear who is benefiting: the military and political
>>         establishment of the West, which supplies the weapons,
>>         destabilizes countries, even entire regions, and tries to
>>         establish full control over the world.
>>
>>         Then, if and when the situation changes and a former client’s
>>         movements go gaga, there is always another use for them: they
>>         can serve as a justification for direct invasions and further
>>         militarization of the regions and the entire planet.
>>
>>         First you create them, then you use them, and in the end you
>>         fight them.
>>
>>         /“The only victims”/ are millions of people who are dying and
>>         becoming internally displaced in the regions destroyed by
>>         these brutal imperialist games.
>>
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