[Peace-discuss] [ufpj-activist] HuffPo: Bernie Sanders Had A Great Response To War Hawks

Sat Sep 5 00:59:22 EDT 2015

Appropriate comments Karen. Thanks.

 I didn’t realize how ugly, demagogic and politically bankrupt Naiman could be, although there have been indications in the past. He has become a shill for the Democratic party (if he wasn’t always one), seeming to prefer Sanders to Hillary, but would be satisfied with either and their militaristic hegemonic  policies. Mirroring Obama. Of course, his constant  argument is that the Repubs would be worse.

—mkb

On Sep 4, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Bob, I thought you were good intentioned though misguided. Now I know better. You don't just support the democratic party, as does Bernie. A party that doesn't just support wars, but perpetrates and expands them.

Kevin's comments were legit. and you immediately attacked him and tarred the whole left, with ad homenums always a sign of one knowing they have lost the argument.

Some of us from the local Green Party will be happy to counteract Bernie with Jill, who has made it clear we don't support war, or militarization.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:15:57 -0500
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Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] HuffPo: Bernie Sanders Had A Great Response To War Hawks

I'm all for pressuring Sanders to be better - and, in fact, we've run petitions on Sanders, pressuring him to be better.

But some of the noise on the left against Sanders is coming from ultra-left fantasyland - a place of dishonesty, manipulation, deceit, and abuse - and it's important to call that out.

Israel-Palestine is a great example of this. There is a faction of people who are trashing Sanders for "supporting Israeli militarism" because he hasn't opposed U.S. military aid to Israel.

That's an ultra-left fantasyland position. Sanders isn't running as the candidate of the ISO or the SWP or the Workers' World Party. He's running for the Democratic nomination for President. To trash him for not taking the positions that the Trotskyite groups are taking is to fundamentally attack the political engagement of people in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

Of course, people are entitled to their views. But they should be honest about their political agenda. They shouldn't hide it behind insincere claims of being pro-Palestinian.

Robert Naiman
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Kevin Zeese <kbzeese at gmail.com<mailto:kbzeese at gmail.com>> wrote:
I have not seen people putting up Jill Stein statements on this list so not sure why you are raising that.

The purpose of this list is to oppose war and militarism. Sanders record is not stellar on those issues. It would be great to see the antiwar movement pressure Sanders to be better. In fact, the minimal presure of petitions urging Sanders to speak out on these issues may have been a factor in this statement finally being made. I hope it encourages more pressure on Sanders -- especially on Israel-Palestine, weapons making and alternatives to a war-based foreign policy.

It seems Sanders listens to pressue (which is a good thing) as the Black Lives Matter pressure has made him much better on racial justice issues.

KZ

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
Is the purpose of this list to shill for Jill Stein and the ultra-left retard faction?

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Zeese <kbzeese at gmail.com<mailto:kbzeese at gmail.com>> wrote:
Is the purpose of this list to develop soundbites for political candidates?

Sounds like Sanders concern for lost limbs and brain injury could just as easily lead to a love of drones and robotic warriors.

We need leaders who oppose wars, miitarization and occupation. I have heard Sanders justify Israeli occupation too many times (with lots of false talking points) or support the building of overlypriced virtually useless weapons to have much confidence that he actually gets it -- war should be abolished, it needs to be seen as a barbarian way of resolving disputes that is no longer acceptable.

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
If you run into anyone who claims that Bernie isn't doing anything on this front, this might be useful:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-veterans_55e8b4c3e4b002d5c07577eb

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