[Peace-discuss] Worthwhile discussion between Paul Jay & Max Blumenthal with much more than just a firing.

[Karen Aram]

Ron Paul has certainly spoken out against, American empire, on many occasions. I can’t comment on Buchanan.


On Aug 20, 2017, at 09:19, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com<mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

If we have alliances with (capitalist) Democrats and Republicans on the basis of some common goals, no reason not to have alliances with others. Progressives who reject such alliances end up supporting the status quo, probably not by accident.

One might argue, with some credibility, that the "left" is in danger of used by the "right," that is, to become a party to intra-capitalist factions regarding trade, etc., among the various sectors--manufacturing, resource extraction, FIRE (finance insurance real estate); pertaining especially to issues of "free trade."

Blumenthal and Jay debate the ins and outs of Bannon's opposition to war with Korea vs. his aggressiveness regarding the Middle East, Blumenthal remarking on the complicated relationships between Trump, Adelson, extreme Zionists, etc. But these are debates that accept the premise of American empire, whereas Paul/Buchanan do not, I don't think.


On ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎20‎, ‎2017‎ ‎11‎:‎07‎:‎02‎ ‎AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:


To be clear, I too was disappointed with the “ending” of the discussion.


On Aug 20, 2017, at 08:29, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Does that mean there should be no ‘alliance’ with (does that mean ‘praise for’?) Rightists like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, who condemn US war-making?

That’s nonsense. ‘Left' and ‘Right’ have become floating signifiers (as our PoMo friends used to say), used pejoratively. (“The Left/Right must be condemned for…”)

Abandon those terms, and say what you mean. Use names. —CGE



On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:15 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Very interesting, insightful, and informative as usual, but also ending on the note that their can be no "left-right" alliances, which should still be debated regardless.

DG


On ‎Sunday‎, ‎August‎ ‎20‎, ‎2017‎ ‎08‎:‎34‎:‎56‎ ‎AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


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