[Peace-discuss] World War III

[C G Estabrook]

Stuart—

If by ‘game the system’ you mean, use the AWARE email lists for information and discussion about US war-making, then, yes, I am.

Your motive in suppressing my postings to these lists is less clear. Cui bono? Who profits from cutting down on communication on these matters?

Is it better to have less discussion of matters such as as antifa or intersectionality and let orthodoxies on such matters stand?

‘Deplatforming’ is not an anti-war strategy.

As Orwell wrote, in the (suppressed) preface to ‘Animal Farm,’ “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

—CGE  


> On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:47 PM, stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mort.
> 
> Carl, with these two postings it just looks like you are working to game the system.  Really, are either of them calls to action?   
> 
> Earlier this week I passed along a Code Pink call to action which feels much more like one: to lobby our US Senators to publicly oppose a bill which would break the Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.
> 
> Earlier today I read two other calls to action from two other environmental groups.   Those messages are not urging people to believe or disbelieve something, nor trying to start a discussion or an argument.  Rather they are asking people to get out and do particular things which will advance their causes.
> 
> I think it is worth talking about the role of the antifa, even though I think focusing on it is a distraction from anything we're doing to oppose war, to argue over the tactics of a group we aren't even a part of.    I also think it's worth talking about Phyllis Bennis' comments on the value for the peace movement of recognizing linkages between our goals and other groups', and working together with them.
> 
> But those aren't discussions that belong on the Peace list.
> 
>  -- Stuart
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: 10/18/17 20:40 (GMT-06:00)
> To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III
> 
> In my mind this is unfairly provocative. Stuart has been doing a conscientious and good job monitoring the Peace list, and explaining his criteria. 
> 
> Mort
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:59 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is author of the forthcoming "In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power” (Dispatch Books, September). His previous books include: "Torture and Impunity: The U.S. Doctrine of Coercive Interrogation" (University of Wisconsin, 2012), "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror" (American Empire Project); "Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State," and "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade." He has also convened the 'Empires in Transition/ project, a global working group of 140 historians from universities on four continents. The results of their first meetings were published as "Colonial Crucible: Empire in the Making of the Modern American State.”
>> 
>> His recent article "World War III With China: How It Might Actually Be Fought” envisions the outcome of the US war provocations against China undertaken in the Bush-Obama-Clinton (as Secretary of State) administrations, and continued in the Trump administration.   
>> 
>> To avoid cross posting, I’ve sent the article to the <peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>> list, as a call to action.
>> 
>> AWARE and the anti-war movement in general should work strenuously against the outcome McCoy envisages, by informing the generally anti-war US public of where our government’s policy is leading. —CGE
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