[Peace-discuss] World War III

Thu Oct 19 16:29:35 UTC 2017

Karen, yes, of course your postings went through to the Peace list!
Here is what I've been using as a policy.   Generally any member of Peace can post freely to the Peace list.  If someone sends a bunch of messages that clearly don't belong there, and especially if there is a complaint about that, then somebody (sometimes me) sends a reminder to the list about what's appropriate there.  Usually that is all that is needed.
But it can happen that people will keep posting off-topic stuff to Peace, either accidentally or deliberately - trying to use the larger audience of Peace to reach more people, say.  Ya'aqov, who used to be on these lists, did a lot of that.   I think Carl is doing that now.  For people who don't more or less play along with the established rules of the list, I set the list software to moderate their posts, so that I look at them individually and pass through ones that seem to fit - yes, in my own judgment.   As a list moderator, that's what I do.
Right now the only people on Peace whose messages are held for review are Carl and a handful of people whose e-mail accounts appeared to have been hacked, such that they'd sent spam to the list in the past.   For everyone else, postings go through immediately.
That's about all I have to say on this. 

 -- Stuart
-------- Original message --------From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> Date: 10/19/17  08:13  (GMT-06:00) To: stuartnlevy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com> Cc: "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>, Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III 

At the expense of continuing this discussion related to the two lists, I will ask again, did the “link” allowing recipients choice, to either view or delete, that of the Teach In” get through the Peace List, or was it censored off?

Ditto links to AOTA which includes the presentation by Mort. 

On Oct 18, 2017, at 21:47, stuartnlevy via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Thank you, Mort.

Carl, with these two postings it just looks like you are working to game the system.  Really, are either of them calls to action?   

Earlier this week I passed along a Code Pink call to action which feels much more like one: to lobby our US Senators to publicly oppose a bill which would break the Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.

Earlier today I read two other calls to action from two other environmental groups.   Those messages are not urging people to believe or disbelieve something, nor trying to start a discussion or an argument.  Rather they are asking people to get
 out and do particular things which will advance their causes.

I think it is worth talking about the role of the antifa, even though I think focusing on it is a distraction from anything we're doing to oppose war, to argue over the tactics of a group we aren't even a part of.    I also think it's worth talking
 about Phyllis Bennis' comments on the value for the peace movement of recognizing linkages between our goals and other groups', and working together with them.

But those aren't discussions that belong on the Peace list.

 -- Stuart

-------- Original message --------
From: "Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>

Date: 10/18/17 20:40 (GMT-06:00) 
To: C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com>

Cc: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>

Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III 

In my mind this is unfairly provocative. Stuart has been doing a conscientious and good job monitoring the Peace list, and explaining his criteria. 

Mort

On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:59 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is author of the forthcoming "In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power” (Dispatch Books, September). His previous books include: "Torture and
 Impunity: The U.S. Doctrine of Coercive Interrogation" (University of Wisconsin, 2012), "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror" (American Empire Project); "Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines,
 and the Rise of the Surveillance State," and "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade." He has also convened the 'Empires in Transition/ project, a global working group of 140 historians from universities on four continents. The results
 of their first meetings were published as "Colonial Crucible: Empire in the Making of the Modern American State.”

His recent article "World War III With China: How It Might Actually Be Fought” envisions the outcome of the US war provocations against China undertaken in the Bush-Obama-Clinton (as Secretary of State) administrations, and continued in the Trump
 administration.   

To avoid cross posting, I’ve sent the article to the <peace at anti-war.net> list, as a call to action.

AWARE and the anti-war movement in general should work strenuously against the outcome McCoy envisages, by informing the generally anti-war US public of where our government’s policy is leading. —CGE

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